8700K OcUK Stock and Binned Processors

RXSyd · 9 Oct 2017 at 16:08

beany_bot said:
Totally disagree. When buying ANY "K" series processor, you are paying a premium for the "K" so you can overclock it. And should be able to play the silicone lottery yourself. Not have a guaranteed poor overclocker. In which case just buy a non K system. People buy "K" to overclock them, not to run them at the "frequency advertised". Fact.

But a pre-built system already comes overclocked at the frequency advertised. You want a higher clock, you buy a better performing pre-built. I've not met someone who pays a premium to recieve a pre-built machine that's been OCed by a pro, only to scrap all the work that's gone into it and try to OC it themselves. Have you? What was their motivation for spending that amount of money on labor only to go ahead and try to do the work themselves anyway? That's like paying a chippy to put your doors in, then tearing them off once he leaves and trying to do it better by yourself.

Your argument works when you're buying the boxed retail processor by itself, but you were talking about pre-built systems, that's a different ballpark.

beany_bot · 9 Oct 2017 at 16:28

RXSyd said:
But a pre-built system already comes overclocked at the frequency advertised. You want a higher clock, you buy a better performing pre-built. I've not met someone who pays a premium to recieve a pre-built machine that's been OCed by a pro, only to scrap all the work that's gone into it and try to OC it themselves. Have you? What was their motivation for spending that amount of money on labor only to go ahead and try to do the work themselves anyway? That's like paying a chippy to put your doors in, then tearing them off once he leaves and trying to do it better by yourself.

Your argument works when you're buying the boxed retail processor by itself, but you were talking about pre-built systems, that's a different ballpark.

OK I didn't realise the pre-built systems were already overclocked and to an advertised frequency. I thought they were just sold as normal systems with a "K" processor. That seems fair. You know what you are getting. If just sold as a system with a K processor and no overclock then thats not on.

8 Pack · 9 Oct 2017 at 16:30

straxusii said:
I'd be far more concerned if I'd bought a 8700k system to find out my cpu was probably one of the ones that wasn't good enough to be pre binned!

Why??? your system will ship at the speed you paid for. Stock systems don't need binned, 5ghz+ do which they will get and a delid too. This is a again a full on ridiculous statement.... as all our systems say in the description what OC and speed they will be shipped at as a bare minimum.

Come Back? after like 4 posts you are already talking so much crap you definitely belong on these forums!!!! Welcome!!! :-)

jigger · 9 Oct 2017 at 16:33

8 Pack said:
Why??? your system will ship at the speed you paid for. Stock systems don't need binned, 5ghz+ do which they will get and a delid too. This is a again a full on ridiculous statement.... as all our systems say in the description what OC and speed they will be shipped at as a bare minimum.

Come Back? after like 4 posts you are already talking so much crap you definitely belong on these forums!!!! Welcome!!!

Ever thought of a job in CS

beany_bot · 9 Oct 2017 at 16:45

8 Pack said:
Why??? your system will ship at the speed you paid for. Stock systems don't need binned, 5ghz+ do which they will get and a delid too. This is a again a full on ridiculous statement.... as all our systems say in the description what OC and speed they will be shipped at as a bare minimum.

Come Back? after like 4 posts you are already talking so much crap you definitely belong on these forums!!!! Welcome!!!

Bare minimum.... or maximum... Sorry for splitting hairs here. But people mustn't buy a system thats 4.7Ghz hoping they might get 5Ghz when the CPU inside it is already binned and wont make 5Ghz.

subbytna · 9 Oct 2017 at 16:45

davisdavid said:
To be honest this thread just needs to be closed. Products were sold for a profit. Shock horror. Some people didn't get one. Boohoo. The world is still spinning and I'm sure most people have got better things to worry about than having a new CPU that in all likelihood will be replaced by a better one in 12 months.

...or 7 months ( cough kaby lake cough)

subbytna · 9 Oct 2017 at 16:59

Back on topic...I need a good recipe for sticky toffee pudding, any suggestions???

Hagar · 9 Oct 2017 at 17:01

beany_bot said:
Bare minimum.... or maximum... Sorry for splitting hairs here. But people mustn't buy a system thats 4.7Ghz hoping they might get 5Ghz when the CPU inside it is already binned and wont make 5Ghz.

The entirety of overclocking is to make something inexpensive perform like something expensive. This is by luck, skill or procuring a service (at cost). The latter somewhat defeats the purpose of obtaining a pecuniary advantage. But whatever.

Simon Belmont · 9 Oct 2017 at 17:12

jigger said:
Ever thought of a job in CS

tbh he's getting sick of everyone speculating and giving the wrong info over and over again. He shouldn't have to justify what he does for a living. I'd get tried of it too. This is the way things are. deal with it.

COYS · 9 Oct 2017 at 17:21

He doesn't have to justify it, he's merely an employee who did as he was told.

8 Pack · 9 Oct 2017 at 17:30

I don't have a remit or a boss appart from the ceo. Which is who I report to but he let's me do my own thing because I bring money into the company.

It was my idea to bin all these cpus. Cpu's is Gibbos group so I asked him for the stock because it makes business sense. Ofcourse he agreed.

Why would anyone buy a pre built system to oc further themselves?? In our experience of thousands of systems a year this does not happen.

Simon Belmont · 9 Oct 2017 at 17:31

COYS said:
He doesn't have to justify it, he's merely an employee who did as he was told.

Exactly this^ This is his job, Nothing more

8 Pack · 9 Oct 2017 at 17:33

Silver IHS next with 8Pack logo incoming.

COYS · 9 Oct 2017 at 17:35

I was wondering about the silver IHS as I see Caseking are doing it

8 Pack · 9 Oct 2017 at 17:35

subbytna said:
Back on topic...I need a good recipe for sticky toffee pudding, any suggestions???

Don't know one. Maybe don't bother and lower your sugary carbs ;-)

beany_bot · 9 Oct 2017 at 17:42

Yeah I saw someone doing a 99.99% silver IHS. Pure silver is incredibly soft (think lead). It is fully moronic to use it as an IHS. Stick to Sterling silver or copper. Having said that... once again... why use regular old thermal paste on a fancy silver IHS.

Mark Vale · 10 Oct 2017 at 04:16

8 Pack said:
Why??? your system will ship at the speed you paid for. Stock systems don't need binned, 5ghz+ do which they will get and a delid too. This is a again a full on ridiculous statement.... as all our systems say in the description what OC and speed they will be shipped at as a bare minimum.

Oh the irony....
Says this and then gets 30 retail packets of 8700ks (advertised as max clocks and specs online at 4.7ghz)...Opens them all up and tests them to see just how much extra performance he can get out of them....good job those chips weren't all ocuk pre built k series computers hey?
Now that wouldve been very disappointing!

TwsT · 10 Oct 2017 at 09:55

Come Back? said:
Not only that - you bought one for RRP which is guaranteed not to hit 5GHz - LOL

Really?

This question comes around year after year and bar that one time where a mistake was made and the wrong CPU's got booked in (which we resolved FOC everyone affected by it) The binned CPU's are kept separate if you buy a retail CPU it will come in a sealed box IF you buy an OEM one it comes in a white box but it is still easy to tell if it's been used before. Our plan is not to fob customers off but rather save them the hassle for a fee of running the silicon lottery. If you don't like that buy a retail CPU. Or buy somewhere else. It seems your sole purpose here is to cause drama when you don't completely understand how it all works. If you would like to discuss our methods further or you have a genuine concern about sales of these chips feel free to raise it in our customer service section.

Mark Vale said:
Oh the irony....
Says this and then gets 30 retail packets of 8700ks (advertised as max clocks and specs online at 4.7ghz)...Opens them all up and tests them to see just how much extra performance he can get out of them....good job those chips weren't all ocuk pre built k series computers hey?
Now that wouldve been very disappointing!

What? I suspect, you're trying to make a different point and have just worded it incorrectly.

If you buy a 5.0 ghz system it has to do 5.0GHz if we gave you a CPU that didn't do 5.0 you'd be pretty annoyed no? I suppose we could do what other companies do and just say "at least 4.8" knowing full well the chips won't do more than that but pretending they could all the same. We provide systems aimed to be 24/7 stable at the advertised OC. If you wanted a system that was unclocked with a retail chip this could be done for you. But we simply couldn't guarantee a High OC without pre-binning....

beany_bot · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:01

TwsT said:
Our plan is not to fob customers off but rather save them the hassle for a fee of running the silicon lottery. If you don't like that buy a retail CPU. Or buy somewhere else. It seems your sole purpose here is to cause drama when you don't completely understand how it all works. If you would like to discuss our methods further or you have a genuine concern about sales of these chips feel free to raise it in our customer service section.

OK I totally get this. And it makes sense on the surface. But you have to also realise that for every person you sell a binned chip to. 10 other people are buying a K series CPU that is known (to you) to overclock poorly. Whether that be in a pre-built system or OEM or whatever. The silicone lottery plays both ways. For every winner there are losers. By rights you should be selling these CPUs cheaper than an untested CPU. Because if you want to make money on the good overclockers then you should be prepared to loose money on the poor overclockers. It's a double edged sword. You can't have your cake and eat it. If Im buying a K series CPU (in any form) I expect to have the same "chance" of having a decent overclock as someone buying it from the rainforest whatever. Yes, even in a prebuilt system.

Honestly I'm not trying to be a **** here. I can't be the only person that feels this way? If buying a K series processor you should expect to have the normal chance of getting a good overclocker. By selling the good overclockers separately you are then also selling people (often unknowingly to them) known poor overclockers.

Aneskimo · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:10

This thread needs closing and any complaints should be directed to the customer service section