8700K OcUK Stock and Binned Processors

[DarrenM343]

Guys, I think OCUK are being very open and honest about this. IMO I see nothing wrong with it. If I ran a similar business, I'd probably do the same. It's maximising profit from a shortage of CPU's. Once the shortage ends they'll be back to binning OEM only and we'll have a good choice of retail, OEM and binned.
I wish people would some talking ethics and morals when they'd probably do the same thing. Ethics and morals also begins at home (a good rule for us all to follow).
Example. You have 30 CPU's to sale. They'll sell out quickly and easily whether stock or binned or delidded and binned. What do you do? You aim for maximum profit. It's a simple supply and demand thing.

An example we can all relate to. When you sell your house you don't sell it for what you paid for it. You sell it for what you think it's worth which itself is driven by supply and demand. If you think fitting a 2grand kitchen will add 4 grand to the resale value, you'd do that too, if you had the money. TOugh luck that some poor bugger will have to pay another 4 grand extra for it. Likewise, if you realised you have 5 potential buyers, you'd probably bump up the selling price - you only have one property to sell .

Anyway, if the supply was good, we'd not have this issue

 

[geordiejc]

Guys, I think OCUK are being very open and honest about this. IMO I see nothing wrong with it. If I ran a similar business, I'd probably do the same. It's maximising profit from a shortage of CPU's. Once the shortage ends they'll be back to binning OEM only and we'll have a good choice of retail, OEM and binned.
I wish people would some talking ethics and morals when they'd probably do the same thing. Ethics and morals also begins at home (a good rule for us all to follow).
Example. You have 30 CPU's to sale. They'll sell out stock or binned or delidded and binned. What do you do? You aim for maximum profit. It's a simple supply and demand thing

I don't think you would feel the same if you had to pre-order the CPU but could see the chip you potentially would have received, on the website for sale for an extra £440 (£799 in total)

OEM / Binning etc... isn't an issue it allows people to buy X-specification CPU with zero silicon lottery risk. Binning retail boxes is an issue because it sets a precedent for all future CPU sales during release week when stocks are low. This results in people unable to afford over RRP going without (which is your majority) and leaves pre-orders starring at the CPU they may have received online for a mere £800.

 

[davisdavid]

Unfortunately all you'll get is the "It's a business" card played, ignoring the fact that in the long run ethics also plays a part for any businesses reputation.

What's worse is that it appears as though all of the chips did around 5ghz so you are paying extra for something that the chip already did. Charging 799 for a chip where the gains are essentially non existent also looks really bad for them. Yeah people were willing to pay it but it's still not right. The computer retail business is a law unto itself though, they do what they want.

There is no other way to look at it though. There was profit to be made and the profit was made. People aren't being forced to purchase from OcUK. I do agree the industry is rogue in general though - I have a few 'saved' baskets elsewhere and in the past 2 weeks GPU and RAM have increased in price around 40 quid combined. Also the price of the 7700k has increased in a lot of places but this is probably an attempt to shift as many as possible before 8700k is in stock properly in December.

I don't think you would feel the same if you had to pre-order the CPU and at the same time could see the chip you potentially would have received on the website for sale for an extra £440 (£799 in total)

OEM / Binning etc... isn't an issue it allows people to buy X-specification CPU with zero silicon lottery risk. Binning retail boxes is an issue because it sets a precedent for all future CPU sales during release week when stocks are low. This results in people unable to afford over RRP going without (which is your majority)

It's the retailers stock. They have purchased it and are given an RRP. If people are purchasing binned chips then the boxes are going to be opened if there isn't enough OEM trays at the time. I have no doubt that if there is a surge in people buying pre binned chips and there's not enough OEM then retail boxes will continue to be opened. Where it gets a little muddy is if those purchasing binned chips (that come from retail) are being given priority over those purchasing standard retail boxes. Though there's not been any indication to state this is occurring.

At the end of the day we are all fully aware that if demand outweighs supply like it has then prices will spike and those with the cash immediately available to purchase will win on release day. I kind of think this is a defunct argument because this will happen in the future and it may not just be limited to one or two retailers next time.

 

[DarrenM343]

I don't think you would feel the same if you had to pre-order the CPU but could see the chip you potentially would have received, on the website for sale for an extra £440 (£799 in total)

OEM / Binning etc... isn't an issue it allows people to buy X-specification CPU with zero silicon lottery risk. Binning retail boxes is an issue because it sets a precedent for all future CPU sales during release week when stocks are low. This results in people unable to afford over RRP going without (which is your majority) and leaves pre-orders starring at the CPU they may have received online for a mere £800.

Were there pre-orders available? If not, there's absolutely no problem. I remember reading someone mention the lack of a pre-order option a day or two before the 5th and the reason for that I'm sure was due to the known lack of supply. Pre-ordering I find is always dodgy anyway so never do it. I want to see who has stock then buy.
Sure, I agree, now that pre-orders are taken I'd expect them to be fulfilled as the highest priority. If pre-orders were only taken starting from day of release and OCUK already sitting on a batch, then the reason for taking pre-orders and not "in stock" is obvious. And also the binning would have been already done by then.

Need to also note that from reading OCUK practices they place separate orders when supply is better at least. So if their order is fulfilled for their OEM delidding/system CPU's then they do not have to use those to fullfill oem cpu only pre-orders.

 

[SiDeards73]

Wow the amount of salty entitlement in this thread is unbelievable.

OCUK are a business, they exist to provide a service and to make money for that service.

Don't be angry at them for the extremely limited supply, your anger should be directed at Intel, but it won't, you won't vote with your wallet and buy AMD.

You will suck it up and wait for more stock of the chips, OCUK may temporary and briefly lose your custom, there's tonnes of others who will pay the premium for the chips, just because.

The real villain is Intel here, but you will carry on supporting their practices, so take a long hard look at yourself next time you want to come here whining at OCUK for making hay while the sun shines.

Fact of the matter is it was little more than a paper launch, your upset you couldn't get a stock chip for stock price so you come to vent anger at a retailer who chose to provide a premium service with their limited stock.

Get over yourself mate.

 

[RaidenGB]

To cut a long story short people when can we expect to see 8700k and 8600k retail CPU for that matter back in Stock?

 

[Bluntwrapped]

I'd have thought out of only 30 CPUs, the chances of finding a truly golden one is incredibly unlikely.

From the 30 available, they seem like average to good clockers needing reasonably high voltage for stability.

1.4v CPUs aren't worth £800 imo - that's a gold price for a CPU that isn't golden.

 

[DarrenM343]

Wow the amount of salty entitlement in this thread is unbelievable.

OCUK are a business, they exist to provide a service and to make money for that service.

Don't be angry at them for the extremely limited supply, your anger should be directed at Intel, but it won't, you won't vote with your wallet and buy AMD.

You will suck it up and wait for more stock of the chips, OCUK may temporary and briefly lose your custom, there's tonnes of others who will pay the premium for the chips, just because.

The real villain is Intel here, but you will carry on supporting their practices, so take a long hard look at yourself next time you want to come here whining at OCUK for making hay while the sun shines.

Fact of the matter is it was little more than a paper launch, your upset you couldn't get a stock chip for stock price so you come to vent anger at a retailer who chose to provide a premium service with their limited stock.

Get over yourself mate.

Personally I don't see Intel as a villain either. It's obviously a rushed to market CPU and there's a supply problem. It is what it is. Peoples minds are trhe villain. They don't have to have this CPU right now . If people behave like this, no wonder we have prices rises. 8700K £400 by November..... If people are gonna get arsey and upset,they'll pay another £50 quid + for it. That not unethical either

 

[nomadd]

The answer is buy it from somewhere else, it’s that simple you vote with your wallets.

This^

Haven't bought anything from OCUK in a long while.

 

[Doobedoo]

This^

Haven't bought anything from OCUK in a long while.

I’ve got no allegiance to any one company mate, I buy from whoever offers said product at the best price.

I often find that is from the biggest online retailer that everyone knows yet no one can speak of .

 

[SiDeards73]

Personally I don't see Intel as a villain either. It's obviously a rushed to market CPU and there's a supply problem. It is what it is. Peoples minds are trhe villain. They don't have to have this CPU right now . If people behave like this, no wonder we have prices rises. 8700K £400 by November..... If people are gonna get arsey and upset,they'll pay another £50 quid + for it. That not unethical either

Intel could have held the chips back until they had sufficient stock, they didn't, they rushed it out, limited stock and upset the masses with short supply

This binning was always going to happen with limited supply, if Intel had held back til stock was not as ridiculous as it is, then we wouldn't have this situation.

Fact is Intel are solely blame, we can agree to disagree on that point, but it is what it is

 

[Doobedoo]

Personally I don't see Intel as a villain either. It's obviously a rushed to market CPU and there's a supply problem. It is what it is. Peoples minds are trhe villain. They don't have to have this CPU right now . If people behave like this, no wonder we have prices rises. 8700K £400 by November..... If people are gonna get arsey and upset,they'll pay another £50 quid + for it. That not unethical either

Agreed. It comes down to needs and wants, not everyone can distinguish between them it seems.

 

[Akagi]

I'd have thought out of only 30 CPUs, the chances of finding a truly golden one is incredibly unlikely.

From the 30 available, they seem like average to good clockers needing reasonably high voltage for stability.

1.4v CPUs aren't worth £800 imo - that's a gold price for a CPU that isn't golden.

Damn straight. You can't speed bin and charge masses for CPU's when you only have 30 units. Its lunacy.

 

[DarrenM343]

Intel could have held the chips back until they had sufficient stock, they didn't, they rushed it out, limited stock and upset the masses with short supply

This binning was always going to happen with limited supply, if Intel had held back til stock was not as ridiculous as it is, then we wouldn't have this situation.

Fact is Intel are solely blame, we can agree to disagree on that point, but it is what it is

I don't disagree but again it comes down to peoples minds. Some people have now been fortunate to buy some now. What difference other than psychological does holding back on selling make other than it's upset some as they can't get their hands on them, but holding back another say 4 weeks means nobody gets hand on them. I don't think taking either approach is wrong though. One approach means some get them now while upset others. Holding back stock means everyone kept waiting. At least for now the price hasn't gone higher - the demand is obviously there.

I was tempted by the 5.1 delid, didn't decide in time, tough luck.
I think we'll all very lucky to have so many options available right now. I'd be just as happy buy any one of the alternatives, partly as CPu for me is not just gaming.

 

[geordiejc]

Wow the amount of salty entitlement in this thread is unbelievable.

OCUK are a business, they exist to provide a service and to make money for that service.

Don't be angry at them for the extremely limited supply, your anger should be directed at Intel, but it won't, you won't vote with your wallet and buy AMD.

You will suck it up and wait for more stock of the chips, OCUK may temporary and briefly lose your custom, there's tonnes of others who will pay the premium for the chips, just because.

The real villain is Intel here, but you will carry on supporting their practices, so take a long hard look at yourself next time you want to come here whining at OCUK for making hay while the sun shines.

Fact of the matter is it was little more than a paper launch, your upset you couldn't get a stock chip for stock price so you come to vent anger at a retailer who chose to provide a premium service with their limited stock.

Get over yourself mate.

All this about being a business is a redundant argument & 100% accepted that business needs to make profit - i'm dissapointed at the decision to bin Retail CPU's in place of OEM during this time.

You are confusing the difference between 'normal' price inflation due to supply & demand & competitor pricing (normal business behaviour) with slapping on £440 extra cost and allowing people to pre-order the same CPU you already have in stock.

If this becomes common practice all CPU's will be 'graded' by retailers the silicon lottery is dead. (which may be a good thing, or not) but not at £440 + Cpu cost of £359. It's not good that the pre-orders exist but they would have been able to fulfil a few of them they hadn't opened the retail cpu's and stuck with OEM binning, which is normal and widely accepted by it's customers including myself.

I don't think anyone has been angry at ocuk for the limited stock, where did this come from ? it's disappointment at what they have done with the stock which they had/still have.

Finally, there is no need to be so aggressive at others for having an opinion.

 

[spoffle]

All this about being a business is a redundant argument & 100% accepted that business needs to make profit - i'm dissapointed at the decision to bin Retail CPU's in place of OEM during this time.

You are confusing the difference between 'normal' price inflation due to supply & demand & competitor pricing (normal business behaviour) with slapping on £440 extra cost and allowing people to pre-order the same CPU you already have in stock.

If this becomes common practice all CPU's will be 'graded' by retailers the silicon lottery is dead. (which may be a good thing, or not) but not at £440 + Cpu cost of £359. It's not good that the pre-orders exist but they would have been able to fulfil a few of them they hadn't opened the retail cpu's and stuck with OEM binning.

I don't think anyone has been angry at ocuk for the limited stock, where did this come from ? it's disappointment at what they have done with the stock which they had/still have.

Finally, there is no need to be so aggressive at others for having an opinion.

It's quite stupid that they're doing it, but it is a luxury item that no one needs to buy. Vote with your money and buy the CPU elsewhere.

 

[Akagi]

OcUK will probably have worked hard to secure a lot of the coffee lake stock, and now they're screwing people over with it. Lol

 

[awaybreaktoday]

To cut a long story short people when can we expect to see 8700k and 8600k retail CPU for that matter back in Stock?

they have used retail cpus to make binned cpus..

 

[8 Pack]

For now .

For a long while in regular channels I think.

Our trading customers etc have been known to pay upto 10X retail for good cpu's if this was your business you would also take advantage.

We are binning which is time consuming and delid and retest. All time consuming. The more difficult to find cpu are more expensive. We are removing thermal limits and gaurenteing higher stock speed. So it's an uprated product. Do people pay extra for modded cars ofcourse. It's that principle.

 

[Doobedoo]

I think the issue is you have taken away the opportunity for people to do that themselves, it’s not an issue for me as I would just wait or go elsewhere.

How long until stock levels are normal do you think?