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8700K OcUK Stock and Binned Processors

To cut a long story short people when can we expect to see 8700k and 8600k retail CPU for that matter back in Stock?

As per the website which has stated end of month for first deliveries of retail product since going live as more stock arrives it shall be booked in to cover peoples back orders and endeavour to have chips with them by end of month, something the website clearly informs by being on pre-order with end of month delivery time.

The binned chips are always at a premium as per 8 Pack's explanation and of course they were available first, good business sense and all that. :)
 
For a long while in regular channels I think.

Our trading customers etc have been known to pay upto 10X retail for good cpu's if this was your business you would also take advantage.

We are binning which is time consuming and delid and retest. All time consuming. The more difficult to find cpu are more expensive. We are removing thermal limits and gaurenteing higher stock speed. So it's an uprated product. Do people pay extra for modded cars ofcourse. It's that principle.

I bet this premium service flawless and it reflects in the price for those who can afford.

What's being frowned upon is using Retail CPU's for this service - the OP (a customer and community member) is being shafted out of the opportunity to own a 8700k today as it's on sale online for £799 so a quick buck can be made on a few units. Some (abeit a few) people who have pre-ordered would be infact orders now too.

Food for thought.
 
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They just aren't worth the premium though. If you have 30, the chances of you actually getting more than a couple of golden chips among them is incredibly low, so you are just charging £800 because it has been de-lidded and someone wasted their time fiddling with some BIOS settings to determine that it was just as average as all the other ones.
 
They just aren't worth the premium though.

That is yet to be confirmed, but could be highly likely. We do not have enough data from normal end users of Coffee Lake CPU's to see how many of them will do 5.1-5.3GHz, and even OCUK initial batch was a tiny sample size, of a brand new product so is not indicative of what might be for the new stock due in.

It may turn out that nearly all CPU's can do 5.1GHz even with out a delid, or it could be like Kaby Lake all over again, where you have to get rid of the awful temps before you can hope of pushing beyond 4.9GHz, which means delid is needed. There was some advantage taken by the retailer in this instance on lack of knowledge in the public domain, and that if the CPU's prove to be easy to overclock above 5.0GHz, then it may backfire and the sales of pre-binned CPU's will become no more, unless they are hitting 5.4GHz etc.

In all, anyone who bought on release pre-binned, either doesn't care about money, wanted to show off, or felt the need to get one while they could, or genuinely think it is a good offer. :)
 
Think it's a pointless debate now to be honest. There was limited stock on release and the retailer can sell as they see fit. Both OEM and Retail have been used to sell at a premium and there isn't enough information to know what the average OC is on the chips.

The next delivery might only be another 50 for all we know and they could all be sold the same way. For those of us not wiling to pay the premium we'll just have to wait for stock or purchase elsewhere, people can be as annoyed as they want but that isn't going to change the business model. At least the ones that were going for 800 notes were delidded and OC'd unlike the ones that immediately hit auction starting at the same price lol
 
They just aren't worth the premium though. If you have 30, the chances of you actually getting more than a couple of golden chips among them is incredibly low, so you are just charging £800 because it has been de-lidded and someone wasted their time fiddling with some BIOS settings to determine that it was just as average as all the other ones.

This would be my concern, with only 30 processors to sample to how do OCUK even know what a good clock is for 8700K? those £800+ 5.2ghz chips might be quite commonplace when the main bulk of stock arrives and are in the public hands.
 
I tested a fair few ES and in my experience and vendors too ES where better clockers than retail as is often the case. I mean these cpu are Kabylake with two more cores four threads. Seems sense to me that they will be the same yield rate. Which is what we are seeing compared to Kabylake launch samples. Later steppings of Kabylake for us only afew in 20 doing 5g and maybe one doing 5.1ghz.

We tested thousands of these.
 
They just aren't worth the premium though. If you have 30, the chances of you actually getting more than a couple of golden chips among them is incredibly low, so you are just charging £800 because it has been de-lidded and someone wasted their time fiddling with some BIOS settings to determine that it was just as average as all the other ones.


You need to remember the 799gbp also includes OCUK having to cover the warranty. They can't very well send delidded cpu's back to Intel.
 
Ok so here is a scenario, AMD/NVIDIA launches a new card and this store only gets 5 units in the first batch. Now the first five orders they get are for water cooled variants.

Is it wrong of them to open detail packages to forfill those orders?

At the end of the day this is Overclockers.co.uk and not some other company.

The question should be, what will happen to the next 30 units, not what happened to the first 30.
 
Ok so here is a scenario, AMD/NVIDIA launches a new card and this store only gets 5 units in the first batch. Now the first five orders they get are for water cooled variants.

Is it wrong of them to open detail packages to forfill those orders?

At the end of the day this is Overclockers.co.uk and not some other company.

The question should be, what will happen to the next 30 units, not what happened to the first 30.

Makes no difference whether its GPU or CPU. OcUK own the stock and can sell as they want. If they want to price at 5000 GBP per unit they can if people are willing to pay.

The next 30 will be used to fill a small chunk of pre orders. I suspect the people who have bought binned chips on pre order will be fulfilled first as they are providing a higher cash input into the business.
 
OcUK own the stock and can sell as they want. If they want to price at 5000 GBP per unit they can if people are willing to pay.

Haha yeah. Some people on here are acting like OCUK just bought up the last thousand food aid packages for Ethiopia and are charging 1 grand a pop for them.
 
I'm guessing all 8700K chips hit the bottom bin of 5ghz. Why are they at premium?

I'll admit it is a clever way of making it look like you aren't charging loads for a retail product by having a properly priced entry out of stock.

To be fair I've never had any loyalty to overclockers so I don't particularly care.
 
THIS.... JUST WOW!!

What an awful way to treat your customers, it's not good enough you make profit by selling the damn things in the first place at RRP?

Whilst the shortage exists, you are capitalising by opening retail boxes, testing them and selling them for an extra £440 (£799) for a 5.2Ghz CPU, which should by all rights have landed in the lap of a customer for £359. I'm genuinely shocked that OCUK are milking their customers this way.

Sell Retail CPU's at RRP. Your literally slapping on hundreds of pounds because there is a shortage - It's like ticket touts buying up concert tickets to make a few hundred quid profit and robbing a fan of the opportunity to see their favourite band.

Retail boxed CPU's should be for retail customers to take the silicon lottery, sometimes win and sometime lose, that's our choice. Taking this away from us you may as well band every single CPU up and charge and become as low as silicon lottery pre binned sites.

Tinker all you want with OEM as long as it doesn't effect customers abilities to buy a CPU or any other hardware for that matter.

Ethically its wrong. I'm going to make a complaint.

Jesus, calm it Karl Marx. Don’t worry, Corbyn will be in power soon and none of us will be able to afford one. You’ll feel better then.
 
Bit of a big essay coming!!!

but i feel so very strongly about the whole situation that i have added myself to this forum to just add support to those that have smashed the refresh at 2pm on the 5th to grab what should have been a good chance to get your hands on an 8700k (out of the so called 30 that should have been available).

This practice of opening retail packets and taking advantage of a poor situation to rip off loyal customers is disgusting.

It's priced out the people who are on average wages that have already sold their rigs in order to fund the launch day.

Some of us have had a considerable wait as it is and now without a pc with no further savings to pay the premium on what should never have been a premium.

It was sent by Intel distribution services as retail packs at cost price with the understanding it would fulfil some customers demands (at RRP). It was never intended for non oem chips to be binned. Intel can't be happy either as this has given them even more of a bad name and essentially put people in a position of disappointment and may even now want to jump ship to Intel's biggest rival instead (even if that is only 30 people)

It's a horrid way to treat loyal customers and there should be some kind of sanctioning or trade law (thats if there isnt already?)
Intel must feel slightly mugged off themselves seeing their retail chips sold to ocuk at cost thats designed for consumers, opened by the retailers then sold at a premium of £800!
It may even put ocuk at the bottom of intels distributions order list (further punishing the customers)

Those 30 retail packages should really be in the hands of 30 standard consumers at rrp, who instead are now pc-less for weeks/months because they couldn't afford the (roughly) 125% price hike!

Come Christmas, we won't see Tesco or main branch toy stores opening collectable sealed kids toys to find the rare one in order to sell it for over double the RRP, I dont think i have even seen any renowned company sell toys or other products designed for retail in shortages for anything more than RRP.
This practice on retail products doesn't exist until 3rd parties (the buyer) resells them on the likes of ebay to make a profit, its never the retailer themselves as its frowned upon...i'm sure it must also be because of some fair trade/retail ethics law!
It's always been first come first served and if you snooze you lose and that's fine by me however i was there at 2pm launch on the 5th and there was 0 available and i have the screen shots straight from the horses mouth that confirm it was all retail packs they had and opened/binned.

Oem i feel is fine to do what you wish and offer the premium to those who can afford and want delidded silicon tested chips, but not retail packs, especially in times of shortages without the standard options of retail components being available to the normal consumers (especially when essentially what stock you had was distributed to you and intended for this very sole purpose).

Its just my opinion but to me its so morally wrong on all levels and a real insult to loyal customers that were personally told to watch out for afternoon stock launch to arrive and go live at 2pm just to find out that none even existed at rrp. It's unfair and unethical and it has left people without a pc who are on lower wages because they simply were/are unable to afford to fund this excessive, inconsiderate greed policy.

Yes ocuk seem very open and honest in these tactics/policies but even that also comes across more like a power trip with 2 fingers waving in your face.

How ocuk can't see this as morally wrong and how so many seem fine by this practice is beyond me.

I for one will look into laws around it but it seems pretty shady to me.
It's not oem that bothers me or the fact they offer a premium for binned cpus with better clock frequency potential, it's the fact it's retail packages opened and the taking advantage of a poor situation in a milking process of loyal customers.

To end the rant, I want to add that i realise that ocuk maybe were the only retailer in the uk with 30 8700ks at launch, but they forget that they were given those 30 because of their reputability and brand name, a name of fame that was given to them by the very people it's attempting to rip off or inconvenience for weeks/months.
 
Bit of a big essay coming!!!

but i feel so very strongly about the whole situation that i have added myself to this forum to just add support to those that have smashed the refresh at 2pm on the 5th to grab what should have been a good chance to get your hands on an 8700k (out of the so called 30 that should have been available).

This practice of opening retail packets and taking advantage of a poor situation to rip off loyal customers is disgusting.

It's priced out the people who are on average wages that have already sold their rigs in order to fund the launch day.

Some of us have had a considerable wait as it is and now without a pc with no further savings to pay the premium on what should never have been a premium.

It was sent by Intel distribution services as retail packs at cost price with the understanding it would fulfil some customers demands (at RRP). It was never intended for non oem chips to be binned. Intel can't be happy either as this has given them even more of a bad name and essentially put people in a position of disappointment and may even now want to jump ship to Intel's biggest rival instead (even if that is only 30 people)

It's a horrid way to treat loyal customers and there should be some kind of sanctioning or trade law (thats if there isnt already?)
Intel must feel slightly mugged off themselves seeing their retail chips sold to ocuk at cost thats designed for consumers, opened by the retailers then sold at a premium of £800!
It may even put ocuk at the bottom of intels distributions order list (further punishing the customers)

Those 30 retail packages should really be in the hands of 30 standard consumers at rrp, who instead are now pc-less for weeks/months because they couldn't afford the (roughly) 125% price hike!

Come Christmas, we won't see Tesco or main branch toy stores opening collectable sealed kids toys to find the rare one in order to sell it for over double the RRP, I dont think i have even seen any renowned company sell toys or other products designed for retail in shortages for anything more than RRP.
This practice on retail products doesn't exist until 3rd parties (the buyer) resells them on the likes of ebay to make a profit, its never the retailer themselves as its frowned upon...i'm sure it must also be because of some fair trade/retail ethics law!
It's always been first come first served and if you snooze you lose and that's fine by me however i was there at 2pm launch on the 5th and there was 0 available and i have the screen shots straight from the horses mouth that confirm it was all retail packs they had and opened/binned.

Oem i feel is fine to do what you wish and offer the premium to those who can afford and want delidded silicon tested chips, but not retail packs, especially in times of shortages without the standard options of retail components being available to the normal consumers (especially when essentially what stock you had was distributed to you and intended for this very sole purpose).

Its just my opinion but to me its so morally wrong on all levels and a real insult to loyal customers that were personally told to watch out for afternoon stock launch to arrive and go live at 2pm just to find out that none even existed at rrp. It's unfair and unethical and it has left people without a pc who are on lower wages because they simply were/are unable to afford to fund this excessive, inconsiderate greed policy.

Yes ocuk seem very open and honest in these tactics/policies but even that also comes across more like a power trip with 2 fingers waving in your face.

How ocuk can't see this as morally wrong and how so many seem fine by this practice is beyond me.

I for one will look into laws around it but it seems pretty shady to me.
It's not oem that bothers me or the fact they offer a premium for binned cpus with better clock frequency potential, it's the fact it's retail packages opened and the taking advantage of a poor situation in a milking process of loyal customers.

To end the rant, I want to add that i realise that ocuk maybe were the only retailer in the uk with 30 8700ks at launch, but they forget that they were given those 30 because of their reputability and brand name, a name of fame that was given to them by the very people it's attempting to rip off or inconvenience for weeks/months.

Sorry mate but if pricing out of "average wages" has you concerned then maybe the 8700k isn't for you in the first place. Yes some people are not happy with it but with only 30 a lot of people were going to be disappointed with it either way, its not like ALL these people complaining would have got one.
 
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