Exactly.
If a person doesn't care whether he lives or not, then where's the victim?
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Exactly.
If a person doesn't care whether he lives or not, then where's the victim?
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I dont get that logic at all, do you also want capital punishment for the rapist as well?
It's killing a child because of what a 3rd party had done. Your wife will always have been raped, no abortion is going to change that fact. Kill the rapist and it still doesnt change the fact she was raped.
At this stage of the pregnancy the baby can understand and respond to interaction and is ready to start living its life without the sole need of the mother.
Now, you don't need to decide when life was formed to know that this was a life that was taken.
Apply that logic to it's conclusion and why bother charging anyone with murder or manslaughter at all - it's not like the dead person cares any more right?
What odd reasoning.
So, I could randomly kill the person next to me because
1 - they didn't have a chance to care about living or dying
2 - as they are dead they cannot care any more
?
His friends and family.
The person next to you did have a chance to care...
You're comparing an undeveloped human to an adult human.Therefore you shouldn't be 'allowed' to end your own life. Goodbye personal liberty.
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See below...
Exactly.
My grandchild responds to my voice, his mothers voice and my sons voice. He has been in the womb for just over eight months.
What the woman did is murder, plain and simple.
Suicide is nearly never the right option.
You are not allowed to end your own life.
Peaceful? You find a murderer a peaceful person?
It's not what she did to her own body that is the problem.
If the baby had been born two weeks early (and therefore a week before she aborted) and she killed and buried it, would that be right?
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my mistake - The jurists have mentioned the life enters the foetus upon 120 days. Also I missed the 0 of 4, as I initially thought it was 40 days when a foetus is considered as having life.
As you were, nothing to see here, move along lol
As you were, nothing to see here, move along lol
I don't need to make the call. You said all abortion was murder. It isn't. One of the key features of murder is "illegal". As abortion is legal in the UK then not all abortions are murder.
Abortion is murder, regardless of the pregnancy stage.
Life starts at conception.
God created all beings, Heaven and Earth.
God puts fossils and other evidence of evolution on Earth to test our faith.
When our lord and saviour Jesus Christ rises again, he will cast you heathens back from whence you came.
Anybody who argues otherwise is wrong. Tide goes in, tide goes out. You can't explain that.
Life starts at conception.
God created all beings, Heaven and Earth.
God puts fossils and other evidence of evolution on Earth to test our faith.
When our lord and saviour Jesus Christ rises again, he will cast you heathens back from whence you came.
Anybody who argues otherwise is wrong. Tide goes in, tide goes out. You can't explain that.
Some people have that opinion, which they FORCE onto other people... yes.
There's no absolute right and wrong, but that would be a whole different situation than the one we're talking about.
I still don't think the 'force her into a cage for 8 years' would be the solution though.
That's the good thing about the UK law. If you do not agree with abortion then you don't have to have one. Whilst if you have no problems with abortion you can have one. Win/win.
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I'm all for abortion and all for the 24 week limit. This is plenty of time to make you you're mind if you want to keep the child or not.
If this lady killed her child at 40 weeks its absolutely shocking and I cannot see why she has not been sentenced to life as at 40 weeks the baby is due to be born as in lots and lots and lots of women give birth up to a couple of weeks before this and would be seen as ok, is the op correct?? For example my little sister was born at 35 weeks. I'm truly shocked she only got 8 years.
If this lady killed her child at 40 weeks its absolutely shocking and I cannot see why she has not been sentenced to life as at 40 weeks the baby is due to be born as in lots and lots and lots of women give birth up to a couple of weeks before this and would be seen as ok, is the op correct?? For example my little sister was born at 35 weeks. I'm truly shocked she only got 8 years.
The law is quite clear on legal abortions and the limitations put on them...she broke the law and effectively killed an otherwise healthy and viable child. The child was at term (a week from her due date) and what she did was use drugs known to cause a miscarriage in order to induce a stillborn birth, she effectively killed the child in-utero.
The judge told her at the hour-long hearing: "The critical element of your offending is the deliberate choice made by you, in full knowledge of the due date of your child, to terminate the pregnancy at somewhere close to term, if not actually at term, with the full knowledge that termination after week 24 was unlawful and in full knowledge your child's birth was imminent."
What she did was no different from giving birth and poisoning the newborn, she simply did it in a different order. She calculated and intentionally deprived an otherwise healthy and viable person of their life. It is not the same thing at all as legally terminating a pregnancy prior to 24 weeks.
The judge told her at the hour-long hearing: "The critical element of your offending is the deliberate choice made by you, in full knowledge of the due date of your child, to terminate the pregnancy at somewhere close to term, if not actually at term, with the full knowledge that termination after week 24 was unlawful and in full knowledge your child's birth was imminent."
What she did was no different from giving birth and poisoning the newborn, she simply did it in a different order. She calculated and intentionally deprived an otherwise healthy and viable person of their life. It is not the same thing at all as legally terminating a pregnancy prior to 24 weeks.
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So by this definition it's OK to kill mentally retarded people as long as nobody related to them objects?
If the government had a LOT of money then I don't think abortions would happen anywhere near as much, the government could simply take the babies off their hands and raise them in care. Every abortion could have been the next Einstein, this much is true. What's also true is that it's not right to strip the rights of an existing woman in favour of a foetus. That kid has just as much chance as being the next Hitler as he does Einstein.
I'm not sure what the objects part is about, but if someone cannot decide if they want to live or die by themselves, then they're not missing anything by dying. I wouldn't threaten the family with imprisonment if they wanted to end that 'life'.