Poll: Abortion, Roe v. Wade

What is you're opinion on abortion ?

  • Fully pro-life, including Embryo

    Votes: 17 2.5%

  • Pro-life but exceptions for morning after pill and IUDs

    Votes: 25 3.7%

  • Pro-choice but up until heartbeat limit of 6-weeks

    Votes: 64 9.6%

  • Pro-choice up to pre-viability limit (based on local legislation)

    Votes: 451 67.6%

  • Fully pro-choice until birth

    Votes: 110 16.5%
  • Total voters
    667
Can we not drag this thread away from topic with yet another conversation about trans people. It’s done to death, and gets nowhere (but worthy discussion is still appropriate in its own thread).

This debate is far too important to be sidelined by the trans discussion.
 
BowdonUK said:
It's interesting how most of these wokies act liberal, then when it comes to disability they are the main ones wanting to kill (this is based off my experience and reading documents from feminist groups when it comes to abortion).
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I think that's a very sweeping generalisation. I think the position of so called "wokies" is that people should get to decide what they do with their children. As a liberal man, I believe that the parents should decide in all but the worst cases. I strongly believe that we shouldn't be termination babies with down's syndrome, and I'm sure that there are many other genetic diseases (I have one too) that people can live very fulfilled lives with.
 
MadMossy said:
RBG had terminal cancer, it was known about for years in advance, people are blaming her because she could have stepped down during Obama's presidency at any point, but she chose to continue on to her dying day, which happened to be during Trumps time so he got to pick another supreme justice.

So not only did he get to replace 2 of his, he got to take one of theirs also which is why the republicans have the majority now.
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Ok, that makes more sense now..
 
This guy sums up the issue in a rational way and echos my thoughts on the issue.

He's done some interesting videos - well worth a watch....

 
Noticed a few women on social media (who live in the UK) seem to be making this a man vs woman issue, even though I don't know a single man who doesn't agree with the current UK law on abortions; so is basically on their side.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
I strongly believe that we shouldn't be termination babies with down's syndrome, and I'm sure that there are many other genetic diseases (I have one too) that people can live very fulfilled lives with.
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Of course they can, but that is dependent on parents who are fully on board with that, and harsh as it may be to say it, the reality is that many (prospective) parents simply aren't. Either because that's not what they want and won't give the necessary commitment (even if only subconsciously), or simply aren't up to the task no matter how hard they try.

Which is the lesser/greater evil - allowing a potential child with Down's to be terminated because the prospective parent's aren't willing (or able) to give the extra attention and care it needs, or allowing an actual child with Down's to suffer because the parents aren't willing (or able) to give the extra attention and care it needs? I don't have the answer to that - I don't think there is a right or wrong answer really, which is why ultimately I think it should be up to the parents (along with advice and guidance from medical professionals).
 
Roar87 said:
Noticed a few women on social media (who live in the UK) seem to be making this a man vs woman issue, even though I don't know a single man who doesn't agree with the current UK law on abortions; so is basically on their side.
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Are they making it a men vs women issue in the UK or are they saying that its a men vs women issue in the US. I wouldn't say that is completely wrong if you are talking US.

I would suggest that in the UK the vast vast majority of men basically have the view of "its not my body, thats something for you to decide" but in the US they still have strong religious parts of their society which is still massively patriarchal and they very much do call the shots. There is a very strong correlation between views on abortion and religion over there.
 
Haggisman said:
Of course they can, but that is dependent on parents who are fully on board with that, and harsh as it may be to say it, the reality is that many (prospective) parents simply aren't. Either because that's not what they want and won't give the necessary commitment (even if only subconsciously), or simply aren't up to the task no matter how hard they try.

Which is the lesser/greater evil - allowing a potential child with Down's to be terminated because the prospective parent's aren't willing (or able) to give the extra attention and care it needs, or allowing an actual child with Down's to suffer because the parents aren't willing (or able) to give the extra attention and care it needs? I don't have the answer to that - I don't think there is a right or wrong answer really, which is why ultimately I think it should be up to the parents (along with advice and guidance from medical professionals).
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Indeed. And what would we decide is reason enough. Which disabilities should be on the whitelist and which shouldn't? It should fundamentally be up to the people who will have to raise the child.
 
fez said:
Are they making it a men vs women issue in the UK or are they saying that its a men vs women issue in the US. I wouldn't say that is completely wrong if you are talking US.

I would suggest that in the UK the vast vast majority of men basically have the view of "its not my body, thats something for you to decide" but in the US they still have strong religious parts of their society which is still massively patriarchal and they very much do call the shots. There is a very strong correlation between views on abortion and religion over there.
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Yeah it feels like they're making it a man vs woman issue, being made an enemy based on your sex when you're actually in favour of women being able to choose feels stupid, the anger isn't being directed at the right people.
 
I'm pro choice up to the point where the baby can survive outside the womb. That gives plenty of time for a woman to decide.

Excepion to that would be a sever disability where quality of life would be severly diminished.
 
Roar87 said:
Yeah it feels like they're making it a man vs woman issue, being made an enemy based on your sex when you're actually in favour of women being able to choose feels stupid, the anger isn't being directed at the right people.
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From what I saw, where people were making any comment similar to that, it was basically telling the men who are only now saying anything "we've been needing your support on this for decades, you've been silent".

Which is very true, most men haven't historically shown much support for "women's issues" such as abortion access.
 
It’s hard to be pro choice when you’ve watched an abortion video - the real thing must be horrific.
Infact I feel sick thinking about it.
 
SkodaMart said:
It’s hard to be pro choice when you’ve watched an abortion video - the real thing must be horrific.
Infact I feel sick thinking about it.
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Except that the chances are the video you saw was deliberately chosen for that effect rather than being the far more common early "abortions".

Pro forced birth groups love to use the most extreme footage they can, often out of any context so for example showing an "abortion" that involves a procedure where the foetus was dead before any medical procedure, or where the foetus could not have survived birth.

It's like a lot of the "animal testing" stuff that used to be common, where they'd have pictures from things like Soviet experiments in the 50's and try to pretend that was what was going on in every lab (for the record I am generally anti animal testing, but very aware that in certain cases it's necessary).
 
Screeeech said:
Is anyone else just totally fed up with hearing about Americans and their dysfunctional/broken/backward society?
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The problem is, what happens in the US tends to affect us.
American "pro life" and "anti gay" type groups have been investing very very heavily in the UK for years, I saw some idiot who was something like the UK head of a students against abortion group who was making the same nonsense claims about roe vs wade that the US groups use, practically word for word including the one that it allowed abortion up till birth for no reason (a claim that is utter tripe).
 
Werewolf said:
The problem is, what happens in the US tends to affect us.
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I get that, it's just frustrating when half of the bloody stupid things they're doing, seem to end up as front page news over here, every other day... I'm just getting bored of hearing about it, religious loons and abortions, school shootings, etc etc.,.

(sorry just venting lol)
 
SkodaMart said:
It’s hard to be pro choice when you’ve watched an abortion video - the real thing must be horrific.
Infact I feel sick thinking about it.
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The vast majority of abortions are done using pills and aren’t like those videos.
Remember, more people die from pregnancy than abortion. This change isn’t banning abortion. It’s banning safe abortion.
 
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