How would most men in practical terms show support for "womens issues"? What should I be doing on a daily basis outside of this forum? This just seems like nonsense to be honest. Most people just go about their daily lives and don't worry about things that don't personally affect them
Poll: Abortion, Roe v. Wade
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How would most men in practical terms show support for "womens issues"? What should I be doing on a daily basis outside of this forum? This just seems like nonsense to be honest. Most people just go about their daily lives and don't worry about things that don't personally affect them
Call out lies/misinformation when they happen. Support initiatives that help support womens issues (such as buffer zones around clinics). Allow women to lead the discussion. Accept we can’t understand the issues like they can. Share positive messages. Challenge those (mainly men) who are trying to dilute their rights. Challenge your friends and men when they are being inappropriate to women. Don’t allow ‘banter’ as an excuse for harassment.
There’s loads you can do every day. Though, why am I not surprised you don’t care enough to do anything?
I care massively about womens rights and issues. I can’t imagine why a man wouldn’t. Don’t you want to live in an equal, fair place?
I think this is what people are forgetting. People have been getting illegal abortions for years and if its state to state people will just travel for abortions. I assume they haven't got any law against that?
This isn't really backed by the data, the notion that abortion rights are being taken away by men, it's more just a religious/political issue that attracts plenty of men and women on either side of the debate.
Nah you were kinda correct in that it did restrict the ability to legislate and only in one way, the presence of Roe v Wade prevented states from putting in place similar legislation to European countries but on the flip side did nothing to stop state laws that allow abortions all the way through pregnancy (which is pretty messed up).
The Dobbs v Jackson case concerned Mississippi trying to put into place the former kind of legislation - a 15 week limit on abortions on demand (something which the majority of voters in the OCUK poll in this thread seem to be in line with too) and then medical emergencies after that. Initially, federal courts knocked it back, they had established a rather more generous 24-week viability limit, the Supreme court however allowed it and thus the big outcry now. AFAIK it's been well known in legal circles that Roe v Wade was not exactly a technically sound judgment, but it's such a hot potato issue now and the result of it is obviously important that there's perhaps a reluctance on liberal pundits to comment much on that aspect.
Lots of the fallout is now a bit mindless, Supreme Court bad... every pop star at Glasto said so, they even got the crowds chanting **** the Supreme Court. Not much room for nuance or trying to understand the issues at anything other than a superficial level of - this decision = bad things happened. Legislators (many of whom do have a legal background/education) have sat on this problem for decades, the supreme court, ultimately, has made what seems to be a good legal decision here (which is what they're supposed to do), protesting at judges houses is beyond dumb, it's legislators who ought to be lobbied over this.
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Some were trying to enforce that but as Justice Clarance Thomas specifically said in the ruling, restricting the movement of people between states would go against their constitutional right, no matter the reason.
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Doesn’t really matter if you can’t afford/not fit to travel for an abortion does it?
And, saying pregnancy is more dangerous than abortion, this decision will kill women that wouldn’t have died if this decision wasn’t made.
If it's for medical reasons /risk to live or other circumstances like rape / incest then sure, but otherwise I don't support abortions being used like birth control.
They can always travel to another state so it's not that big a deal. European countries have very different polices on this, so it makes sense that each state should have control.
They can always travel to another state so it's not that big a deal. European countries have very different polices on this, so it makes sense that each state should have control.
More rubbish. Basically No one is using abortion as birth control.
They can always travel, what about poor people? People with poor mobility? This change unfairly punishes the poor and disabled. Are they not allowed to have sex?
MYTH: Women are using abortion as a method of birth control.
In fact, half of all women getting abortions report that contraception was used during the month they became pregnant1. Some of these couples had used the method improperly; some had forgotten or neglected to use it on the particular occasion they conceived; and some had used a contraceptive that failed. No contraceptive method prevents pregnancy 100% of the time.
If abortion were used as a primary method of birth control, a typical woman would have at least two or three pregnancies per year -- 30 or more during her lifetime.
In fact, most women who have abortions have had no previous abortions (52%) or only one previous abortion (26%)5. Considering that most women are fertile for over 30 years, and that birth control is not perfect, the likelihood of having one or two unintended pregnancies is very high.
As said, very few people use abortions as birth control. Its far more of a faff than just using birth control and there are thinks like the morning after pill for mistakes and oversights in the immediate aftermath.
It is a big deal if you have to travel out of state. because there are some places in the US where that could be a massive journey for you. You could be surrounded by states that have banned it and the US is huge. You could end up having to take a flight there and back along with associated costs which could run into the thousands.
Thats ignoring the fact that is no ones damn business if you have an abortion or not. Especially when the only argument is basically "not on my doorstep". There will be some people who could literally walk for 5 minutes to get a legal abortion when they are banned in their own state and other people who have to travel a long way to do it. Its ridiculous and its backwards.
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I'll call this one, there was a girl that I used to work with that didn't like using rubbers and the pill made her put weight on so she didn't use anything at all, in the 5 or so years I worked with her she had 3 that I know of, so while its a very very small pool of women globally, it does happen.
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You can't regulate for the dumbest in society though, otherwise we'll never be allowed to do anything.
I don't think anyone is denying it does happen, more the fact that it's nowhere near as prevalent as some posters are claiming. That's one girl out of how many you knew over that 5 year period?
It certainly happens, but it’s the absolute minority. It’s also probably bred from ignorance and a lack of good sex education. There’s the coil which whilst has some pretty gnarly removal/insertion questions won’t cause weight loss. There are at least three different types of the Pill, each will affect the woman differently as well as implant. She’s had one bad experience on one pill and thrown the baby out with the bath water (if you excuse the awkward pun). It would be better if she was educated on the alternatives.
Or, the man could take some ownership of this and have a vasectomy. Not to mention, not have unprotected sex with someone…
I’ve been trying to find an excuse to post this and here it is (as an old man I have no idea to save an Instagram pic and had to screenshot it)
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Yes, see this tweet quoting from one of the judges (sweary, so linked rather than posted)
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A non sweary one:
We're getting there...
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when people use the term no one xxxxxxxxx i think it is a given that it is a generalism and for the most part true.. funnily enough (not funny ha ha funny) many years ago my ex GFs housemate who was iirc 19 had had 2 abortions and was pregnant again.
but here is the thing....... you could tell it was absolutely against the norm, when she told the doctors she was pregnant again the supportive niceness she had gotten the past 2 times was gone, they were cold, clinical and also told her what she was doing was inhumane and unfair on the staff (as well as the fetuses) . She was incredibly upset - not at the abortion but at her treatment and wanted to complain. I dont know if she did or not as i split with my ex not long after (she was a nice lass however nothing like her mate) ... The treatment she got kind of shows that it is rare indeed for women to act in such a way. exact details are fuzzy as it was so long ago but that is pretty accurate......
for me the sad thing is if she did complain i bet the powers that be would have sided with her and not who ever it was who gave the young woman some much needed home truths.
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The trouble is how many women are going to say I had drunken sex with a stranger and I’m now pregnant in an abortion clinic?I don't think anyone is denying it does happen, more the fact that it's nowhere near as prevalent as some posters are claiming. That's one girl out of how many you knew over that 5 year period?
You honestly think they will say that?
It’s a bit like victims of domestic violence saying that they fell downstairs.