Soldato
They are there to advise not to give out what ever... it's the FIA that do that
Oh and please go and read the rules for stewards before you come back
Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2011, Yas Marina Circuit - Race 18/19
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They are there to advise not to give out what ever... it's the FIA that do that
Oh and please go and read the rules for stewards before you come back
I understand that rules, perfectly.
The ex-drivers are there to advise the the FIA bods. The FIA bods have the final say, though the drivers also have a say. It is highly unlikely that the FIA bods would go out of their way to go completely against the advice given to them by the ex-driver.
And I'll say it again, "If I had to blindly back a decision made by Deuse, NathanE or the Stewards, I would pick the Stewards - not because I have anything against the former 2, but because the Stewards have more information than the former 2."
The ex-drivers are there to advise the the FIA bods. The FIA bods have the final say, though the drivers also have a say. It is highly unlikely that the FIA bods would go out of their way to go completely against the advice given to them by the ex-driver.
And I'll say it again, "If I had to blindly back a decision made by Deuse, NathanE or the Stewards, I would pick the Stewards - not because I have anything against the former 2, but because the Stewards have more information than the former 2."
Indeed what a stupid point to defend whichever way you cut it...
ps3ud0
Not defending anything really, just highlighting that he is not way out in front with 10x more penalties than anyone else in the history of the sport, which seems to be the impression some people try to give when slagging him off.
Problem is he's still got twice as many as any of the other top drivers though...and is only being beaten by a rookie. And he is top of the seconds added after a race. hardly a good showing for a former WDC and guy who's 4 seasons in compared to a guy in his first season! Which ever way you look at it, it's still a poor showing even if you think the penalties were unjust or not fair...
I very much doubt thats the impression anyone here is trying to paint, if you compare him directly to what should be his peer group then your statement actually isnt that far fetched.
Just think its ridiculous that people here feel the need to defend him reductio ad absurdum, especially when they go to extremes that its anything but him thats causing his current form, that butterfly seems culpable instead
...ps3ud0
you realise thats only grid position penalities and time added penalties right? not reprimands etc ............. also the other drives are complete rookies lewis isnt
seriously skeeter sometimes i wonder if you know much about f1 at all or wether you just choose to ignore things to suit your agenda
better stats
http://www.vivaf1.com/penalties.php
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I very much doubt thats the impression anyone here is trying to paint, if you compare him directly to what should be his peer group then your statement actually isnt that far fetched.
Just think its ridiculous that people here feel the need to defend him reductio ad absurdum, especially when they go to extremes that its anything but him thats causing his current form, that butterfly seems culpable instead
ps3ud0
always cool to have some latin in an argument...
damnant quodnon intelligunt
I very much doubt thats the impression anyone here is trying to paint, if you compare him directly to what should be his peer group then your statement actually isnt that far fetched.
Just think its ridiculous that people here feel the need to defend him reductio ad absurdum, especially when they go to extremes that its anything but him thats causing his current form, that butterfly seems culpable instead
ps3ud0
And this is the other problem, you can't offer any sort of defence without being branded some blinded uber fan.
Hamilton has had a shocking season, he's made some mistakes, but also had some questionable decisions go against him.
Can I not sit in the middle and while agreeing that he has had a poor year, defend him against people who are hell bent on ripping him apart. I mean, there was people on here slating him for his grammar in tweets, for Christs sake.
I think it was you though that brought up the subject on Lewis and his penalties, no one was even on a relevant topic at the time - think its more than fair game to have a right to reply if you decided to air the original point, just dont get upset when people disagree with your interpretation.
Skeeter, if you cant see your own bias in your assumptions and inferences then its very hard to point them out without you questioning them - you very much arent sat in the middle, but none of us are...
Im sorry if you feel sensitive when it comes to Hamilton - I honestly dont feel the same way or feel the need to rebuttal every discussion/point that I disagree on...
ps3ud0
Skeeter, if you cant see your own bias in your assumptions and inferences then its very hard to point them out without you questioning them - you very much arent sat in the middle, but none of us are...
Im sorry if you feel sensitive when it comes to Hamilton - I honestly dont feel the same way or feel the need to rebuttal every discussion/point that I disagree on...
ps3ud0
I posted stats which show that while Hamilton has had a bad year and had loads of penalties, he was neither alone, nor the worst, which is the exact point I have been making all season.
I don't get upset with people disagreeing with me, I have issue with people (deliberately or not) misunderstanding me, and then arguing about points which I haven't made.
I don't get upset with people disagreeing with me, I have issue with people (deliberately or not) misunderstanding me, and then arguing about points which I haven't made.
I'm surprised how the commentators are bigging up Hamilton's "come back" and future prospects on the basis of one race. One race that was perfectly straight forward with little opportunity to muck it up!
With Vettel out and Button having car trouble - All Hamilton had to do was drive a clean race from the front. Not something that should be particularly challenging to do. I don't see this race as evidence for Hamilton "turning a corner".
With Vettel out and Button having car trouble - All Hamilton had to do was drive a clean race from the front. Not something that should be particularly challenging to do. I don't see this race as evidence for Hamilton "turning a corner".
Well that fact wasnt wholly correct until this last race when Maldonado was given a drive-through penalty and a post-race stop-and-go time penalty to draw level with Hamiltons race penalties...
Not the most solid point to make when only very recent events have consolidated it as fact so close to seasons end, its like saying Arsenal were doing well to stay off the bottom 3 a few weeks back...
It be great to see that as a per-race cumulative figure to see how far back you would have to go for Hamilton not being the worst.
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yet he is the worst and the only people with almost as many penalties are total rookies
http://www.vivaf1.com/penalties.php
He's going to finish behind Button too. Still can't see how people aren't recognising this fact, doesn't matter which way you dress it up, JB will be the first driver to beat Hamilton over a season in the same machinery. And I'm with you, how did he turn a corner? JB should have been 5th with his problems...
Soldato
In the same way, why is everyone saying that Vettel is one of the best ever drivers, seeing as all he has had to do every race is drive a clean race from the front, when other cars have had issues or not been in as fast a car. [/sarcasm]
Why can't the commentators be happy for LH, seeing as he has been a miserable git for ages, and if people start getting behind him, maybe he will get his form back. If people continued to say "it is one race, he will be rubbish again next time", that is hardly going to give a driver confidence.
I don't think people are here to babysit someone who frankly gets paid a fortune to drive a car, and who should perhaps learn to man up and get on with it instead of being miserable...
Now that's probably not everyone's opinion, but basically the guy has probably brought most of his problems on himself this season, bad taste jokes and his go at the stewards really didn't help him either. The penalty situation is another bad mark...
Now that's probably not everyone's opinion, but basically the guy has probably brought most of his problems on himself this season, bad taste jokes and his go at the stewards really didn't help him either. The penalty situation is another bad mark...