Abu Qatada

HAz said:
Oh poor him, yes he did nothing wrong honest!
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That's my point, if he did something wrong in this country he should have been tried in court for it and if found guilty go right ahead and deport him. What annoys me is the travesty that seemed to pass for justice, detention without trial is fundamentally wrong in my eyes. The fact that the media and government branded him a terrorist means that no one seemed to care that we were happily ignoring the foundations of our legal system.
 
Yeah, anyone who spreads hate for the government or the west must be eliminated, immediately. Send 'em back. :mad:
The west and 'our' government is always right and does no wrong, ever.
In fact, all this just supports the view that 'our' government needs more powers of surveillance, to pre-emptively detain suspects (prison works!), and to chuck people out quicker. None of this is a political scoring game at all.


That said, I'm sure MI5 had some decent intelligence on his activities. Would love to see it.
 
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It's not hate towards the government alone though is it? It's the whole western way of life, and everything the west stands for. Actively being involved in a terrorist cell is enough to warrant this sort of treatment, don't you think?

I'm a huge proponent of the Middle East, in fact I love the people there and have spent extended periods of time there, but there are cells that hate everything about the west and what it stands for and hates how it is negatively (according to them) affecting their cultures and offspring, and rather than try and live in a cohesive integrated society they try and harm those that don't conform to their way of life. That sort of behaviour is lamentable.

Sure the west isn't innocent either, but that doesn't mean to say we should roll over owing to guilt when someone starts to preach hatred and is active in terrorism activities towards us and our loved ones.
 
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Robosapien said:
Yeah, anyone who spreads hate for the government or the west must be eliminated, immediately. Send 'em back. :mad:
The west and 'our' government is always right and does no wrong, ever.
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having a pop at the gov is all well and good, when you start talking about beheading non muslims and demanding sharia law thats getting a bit past it. let alone the terror charges he's up on in jordan to start with. its not like this guys just misunderstood or anything.

he wants sharia law the world over and will help people kill others to do it. im sorry if thats your view move to a country that has sharia law or take whats coming to you.
 
Cosimo said:
We've finally got rid of him:

Radical cleric Abu Qatada has been deported from the UK to Jordan to stand trial on terrorism charges.

His plane left RAF Northolt at 02:45 BST to take him to his home country, which he has not visited in 20 years.
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Good riddance.
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WOohooo. My only regret is I wasn't there to point and laugh as he got on the plane.
 
Freefaller said:
Actively being involved in a terrorist cell is enough to warrant this sort of treatment, don't you think?
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What, indefinite detention with no charges or trial?....umm, no, nothing warrants that to be honest.

Sure the west isn't innocent either, but that doesn't mean to say we should roll over owing to guilt when someone starts to preach hatred and is active in terrorism activities towards us and our loved ones.
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Then charge him with one of the multitude of laws he broke, with the evidence we have.
 
WTF looks like his wife and 5 kids are staying here. And they say their house(which costs us tax payers £1,400 a month) is to small.
Kick the lot of them out now.
 
Freakbro said:
What, indefinite detention with no charges or trial?....umm, no, nothing warrants that to be honest.



Then charge him with one of the multitude of laws he broke, with the evidence we have.
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It's not for us to try him, we've deported him so that he can have justice applied in the correct country.
 
MooMoo444 said:
WOohooo. My only regret is I wasn't there to point and laugh as he got on the plane.
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Laugh? You do understand that he went voluntarily after the Jordanian government enacted a special law to ensure he gets a fair (from a UK point of view) trial? If he hadn't chosen to go he'd still be here, claiming he was deported is stretching the definition a little.
 
bam0 said:
Laugh? You do understand that he went voluntarily after the Jordanian government enacted a special law to ensure he gets a fair (from a UK point of view) trial? If he hadn't chosen to go he'd still be here, claiming he was deported is stretching the definition a little.
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What is this special law they've enacted? Do we really think this is why it's taken so long - because the UK were concerned about this chaps welfare? The UK could not give a monkeys about 'fair trials'.

They pussyfooted around trying not to accuse Jordan, as a state, of torture. Politics, lip-service, that is all.
 
bam0 said:
Laugh? You do understand that he went voluntarily after the Jordanian government enacted a special law to ensure he gets a fair (from a UK point of view) trial? If he hadn't chosen to go he'd still be here, claiming he was deported is stretching the definition a little.
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Voluntarily! Yea, sure. That is just a cover story by him as he knew damn well that he was heading to Jordan to get the rubber glove treatment! Lets hope he never comes back. He must be missing his family so lets ship them out to him, I mean, it's only fair that he gets to see them! :D
 
The Government have brought this on themselves, they were quite happy to keep him here when it suited them. It's almost as if he was used as a puppet to dangle in front if the masses every now and then.

You can't accept someone into a country and then say you don't like them anymore and to please leave having done nothing wrong. I would have fought this too, as would many others.

If the government hadn't given his cause so much coverage I doubt anybody on here would have a clue who he was, and he would have given up what he was doing because in actual fact, nobody cared. The only people interested in what he had to say was angry white Brits saying 'send him back'.
 
Where is the actual evidence for what this guy is supposed to have done - without the repeating the tired old mantras of him being a 'dangerous man' and a threat, as tirelessly repeated by media + politicians ad nauseam

So his sermons were found in connection to some 911 guys - what did they actually say??? I find it all very dubious
 
deuse said:
WTF looks like his wife and 5 kids are staying here. And they say their house(which costs us tax payers £1,400 a month) is to small.
Kick the lot of them out now.
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Their right to stay should have ended when he left the UK. The reason he brought them in was so that they can be close together, so they can go join him
 
MooMoo444 said:
Does she work? @ deuse, just quoted above since it followed on.
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No. And they have had over £500,000 in benefits since coming here and
they don't want to move because "they are unlikely to be able to live as well as they do"

More people will vote UKIP now in protest just you watch.

edit and don't forget we tax payers pay all his legal fees as well. We do people come to the UK hmmmmmmmmmmm
 
deuse said:
No. And they have had over £500,000 in benefits since coming here and
they don't want to move because "they are unlikely to be able to live as well as they do"

More people will vote UKIP now in protest just you watch.

edit and don't forget we tax payers pay all his legal fees as well. We do people come to the UK hmmmmmmmmmmm
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Bleh. It's such a free ride.
 
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