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Doubtful, you're the one legitimately getting butthurt over comments on hdr like you have some stake in the technology. How does a "wait and see" approach irritate you so much? Or do we all have to share your opinion as its quite clearly in your little mind the "be all end all" opinion that absolutely everyone has to agree with?

I've not seen it in the flesh, and until i do so its not something i care much about one way or the other as viewing videos of it doesn't tell the whole story. I already stated the same thing about eyefinity, freesync and gsync stating they were techs you had to experience first hand and HDR is probably also in the same boat but yet again you ignore that and go on with your childish diatribe. Apparently me having that opinion really gets under your skin for some unfathomable reason. You conveniently ignore the facts that games have to be coded for it and quite a few pc games these days have just the bare bones set of options, even field of view in some fps games isn't a certainty to have an an option, yet you seem to have convinced yourself every dev and his granny will be coding in hdr support.

Wind your neck in and accept that some things have to be experienced first hand to get the true measure of their impact, no ifs or buts about it.
 
eurgh.

I don't personally care what anybody else thinks. You guys need to stop arguing.

HOWEVER, just consider this. OLED HDR has a peak brightness of 500 nits minimum, That's what it needs to meet HDR requirements, which is about 2.5x a calibrated kuro plasma (say just under 200 nits from memory). LCD HDR = 1,000 nits minimum peak, or 5.0 times as bright. and there are LCD's out there now passing 1,200 nits peak. And this isnt just turning up the brightness dont forget, this is whilst keeping the abilt to accurately track brightness and colour through that range.

Regardless if you think it's better or not; If you cant see that, then something is wrong.
 
james.miller said:
eurgh.

I don't personally care what anybody else thinks. You guys need to stop arguing.
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He's the one taking personal offence to the fact that not everyone is on their hands and knees worshipping at the altar of HDR. Whereas i'm waiting to see how it pans out both in terms of monitor support and game support, but that irks him for some reason.
 
james.miller said:
eurgh.

I don't personally care what anybody else thinks. You guys need to stop arguing.

HOWEVER, just consider this. OLED HDR has a peak brightness of 500 nits minimum, That's what it needs to meet HDR requirements, which is about 2.5x a calibrated kuro plasma (say just under 200 nits from memory). LCD HDR = 1,000 nits minimum peak, or 5.0 times as bright. and there are LCD's out there now passing 1,200 nits peak. And this isnt just turning up the brightness dont forget, this is whilst keeping the abilt to accurately track brightness and colour through that range.

Regardless if you think it's better or not; If you cant see that, then something is wrong.
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Yeah no point. He wants to wait and see but is unwilling to go and actually SEE. We're just going in circles here.

Gerard said:
He's the one taking personal offence to the fact that not everyone is on their hands and knees worshipping at the altar of HDR. Whereas i'm waiting to see how it pans out both in terms of monitor support and game support, but that irks him for some reason.
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Nope it irks me that what started as a I don't believe this turned into a wait and see and a general mistrust of the facts.

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I remember amd\nvidia bringing in the gpu version of hdr like 12 years or or more. I can't even remember the last time i noticed it being used in games. :confused: Might just be one of those effects you hardly notice as its commonplace these days?
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Showed you didn't understand hardware HDR...

Gerard said:
So darker darks, brighter brights, and an upgrade of what becomes inbetween meh. If it requires coding to be effective then its probably something that will be a "thing" for a while before dropping off.
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After me explaining HDR to you this is what you replied with, which again showed your heavily anti HDR stance whilst still not understanding the full picture

Gerard said:
I've seen footage of it running on console with hdr apparently enabled, not really seeing a massive difference tbh. It might be one of those effects that's more muted in recording until you see it live for yourself.
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Again not understanding that you have to see HDR in person to see the difference. You can't see it on a non HDR screen as it is part of the physical technology within the screen
 
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Nope it irks me that what started as a I don't believe this turned into a wait and see and a general mistrust of the facts.
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And tell me great hdr guru, right now how many games actually support it on pc? Where have i to go to running like a gibbering loon to see these games on display on hdr panels? Obviously according to you i should go out and see it in action, like a lot of stores have hdr panels and high end pc's running pc games on display.

spikerules said:
Showed you didn't understand hardware HDR...
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Probably because back then nvidia make a big deal fo the fact they had it on their sm3 gpu's while amd didn't on sm2 gpu's. And on the games they had it on, (far cry being the main one) it wasn't that impressive of an effect



spikerules said:
After me explaining HDR to you this is what you replied with, which again showed your heavily anti HDR stance whilst still not understanding the full picture
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LOLOLOL, yeah i'm definitely anti anything that can make pc games look better. Like i said, i'm going to see how it goes and see if it gets strong support from developers, how you find this hard to accept is truly baffling.
 
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Gerard said:
And tell me great hdr guru, right now how many games actually support it on pc? Where have i to go to running like a gibbering loon to see these games on display on hdr panels? Obviously according to you i should go out and see it in action, like a lot of stores have hdr panels and high end pc's running pc games on display.
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Pretty large amount of 4k movies do and more games are adding support like a recent update from BF1. Also recent games like ME Andromeda and Destiny 2 have HDR support. Two pretty massive games. Shadow Warriors 2, RE7, Hitman, SW BF2, Deus Ex Mankind devided... to name a few.

Gerard said:
LOLOLOL, yeah i'm definitely anti anything that can make pc games look better. Like i said, i'm going to see how it goes and see if it gets strong support from developers, how you find this hard to accept is truly baffling.
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At no point did I disagree about support (which will be there soon enough as I have proved above), but only disagreed to your "I cant see a difference" stance when in fact there is a large difference. As I have shown in a previous post with quotes from yourself you started as anti HDR "I can't see a difference" without knowing the facts, which I educated you in. My only disagreement was in your mistrust of HDR and it's apparent "fad" type technology.
 
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Pretty large amount of 4k movies do and more games are adding support like a recent update from BF1. Also recent games like ME Andromeda and Destiny 2 have HDR support. Two pretty massive games. Shadow Warriors 2, RE7, Hitman, SW BF2, Deus Ex Mankind devided... to name a few.
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So in gaming terms a relatively small amount as its still "rolling out". As i said several times at this point, it'll be something i'll probably look into at some point in the future. When it has a strong enough range of panels and it's something that more devs are including as a basic standard, and it impresses me enough seeing it first hand then to me it'll be worth it.
 
Gerard said:
LOLOLOL, yeah i'm definitely anti anything that can make pc games look better. Like i said, i'm going to see how it goes and see if it gets strong support from developers, how you find this hard to accept is truly baffling.
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Gerard said:
So in gaming terms a relatively small amount as its still "rolling out". As i said several times at this point, it'll be something i'll probably look into at some point in the future. When it has a strong enough range of panels and it's something that more devs are including as a basic standard, and it impresses me enough seeing it first hand then to me it'll be worth it.
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That is fair enough and I am confident you will be sold on it when you actually see it with your own two eyes and not through a non HDR monitor being recorded off screen with a non HDR camera...
 
I wouldn't really take much away from the hardware cannucks video.

HDR does look amazing, especially in films. Sadly PC Master race is just lagging behind because they're being fleeced on the monitor side of things. :(

Hopefully they catch up in the next couple of years.


As somoene else said, OLEDs aren't quite reaching the 1k nit requirement yet so its new tech.
 
aoaaron said:
I wouldn't really take much away from the hardware cannucks video.

HDR does look amazing, especially in films. Sadly PC Master race is just lagging behind because they're being fleeced on the monitor side of things. :(

Hopefully they catch up in the next couple of years.


As somoene else said, OLEDs aren't quite reaching the 1k nit requirement yet so its new tech.
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For OLED's HDR they have created a new spec which requires OLED to be above 540 nits, but blacks are blacker than LED with 0.05 for LED and 0.0005 for OLED.
 
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spikerules said:
For OLED's HDR they have created a new spec which requires OLED to be above 540 nits, but blacks are blacker than LED with 0.05 for LED and 0.0005 for OLED.
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Yup but as far as I'm aware they still want to eventually push them to 1000 nits


I'm not sure if they settled on 540 for OLEDs because of the near infinite contrast offered by their superior black levels or because someone clever paid someone off to create a standard so they could label all their OLEDs w/HDR premimum

hehe.
 
Gerard said:
And tell me great hdr guru, right now how many games actually support it on pc? Where have i to go to running like a gibbering loon to see these games on display on hdr panels? Obviously according to you i should go out and see it in action, like a lot of stores have hdr panels and high end pc's running pc games on display.



Probably because back then nvidia make a big deal fo the fact they had it on their sm3 gpu's while amd didn't on sm2 gpu's. And on the games they had it on, (far cry being the main one) it wasn't that impressive of an effect





LOLOLOL, yeah i'm definitely anti anything that can make pc games look better. Like i said, i'm going to see how it goes and see if it gets strong support from developers, how you find this hard to accept is truly baffling.
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Ughhhhhhhh no. That HDR and this HDR are actually different things. It really does come across as if you don't actually know what monitor based HDR actually is.
 
spoffle said:
Ughhhhhhhh no. That HDR and this HDR are actually different things. It really does come across as if you don't actually know what monitor based HDR actually is.
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The Nvidia implementation was something they made noise about back in the day because they supported shader model 3 and amd at the time only had shader model 2. A patched far cry was their poster child for a gpu bases iteration of what they called hdr. Obviously a monitor implementation is going to be different but it still needs the games to be coded with it in mind. And as has been said numeeous times at this point, people need to see it for themselves in person as vids mute the impact of it.
 
I'm not sure if I'd ever buy a premium gaming panel again until OLED comes to market, and is priced reasonably (I don't really mind how long that takes).

I had some horrible luck with the Asus 4K IPS gaming monitors. It took 6 replacements to get an acceptable display, at which point I sold it so a buyer wouldn't have to go through the same stress I did trying to get a functioning one!
 
Gerard said:
The Nvidia implementation was something they made noise about back in the day because they supported shader model 3 and amd at the time only had shader model 2. A patched far cry was their poster child for a gpu bases iteration of what they called hdr. Obviously a monitor implementation is going to be different but it still needs the games to be coded with it in mind. And as has been said numeeous times at this point, people need to see it for themselves in person as vids mute the impact of it.
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But it's not comparable at all. HDR back in the day is something completely different to what we're talking about now.

I understand that you're saying you'll reserve judgement until you've experienced it, and that's fine. But it's not really related to the graphical effect called HDR.

This is about being able to represent the effect that a sunray coming through your window has on the surrounding area, and how your eyes respond to it.

Like how the ray of sunlight is substantially brighter than anything else around it, and how your eyes deal with that. That's the dynamic range that is referenced in HDR. The contrast between light and no light. Very bright lights in front of very dark. In normal circumstances, the range between the source of light, and the darkness is quite low, and isn't how we see in real life at all.
 
^^ Honestly it seems like you're wasting your space. Some people just want to be close minded.

To anyone who has experienced HDR on the high-end TVs, they'll be adamant of just how game changing it is, because it basically is. I can understand the frustrations of how something which is pretty much undebatably a game changer, is being disregarded by people who've yet to experience it but thats life, and thats the internet.

If you have someone who has decided they don't want to experience it, want to wait for adoption rates by developers and they have no inclination to want to experience it or even properly research it... just let it go.

Likewise the points of game developers need to support it before we get too excited is a good point. However I don't think that's reason to discard or discredit how good HDR is.
 
HDR on a Premium level TV really does look spectacular and it's a game changing feature. On more average tvs it's not as impressive but Premium certified Tvs are producing amazing images.

Write it off as hype or flavour of the month but if you see it in action aside a none HDR source the difference is very apparent and you wouldn't want to be without it.
 
The X35 specs look great (kinda what I'm looking for), do we know why OcUK don't stock it? I see it in stock at other places?
 
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