Afghanistan - 20 years on
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No they had no choice but they cant act morally right after doing that.
also it was a atomic bomb not a normal one so you know what comes with that.
1. What they did was no better, so they cant take the moral high ground.
2. it was not just one bomb, they knew and had seen the destruction and still dropped another within days, they could have gone back to bombing raids as you said.
other admit mistake but the US thinks this was a great achievement which I don't understand (The atomic bombing)
what would you be saying now if japan or Germany did that
You cant defend one evil and target another.
You should stop doing it then.
You completely missed the point.
The conventional bombings were worse , and the B29 Bomber programme was more expensive than the Manhattan Project. The Japanese started down this route. The Chinese wartime capital of Chongqing was firebombed by the Imperial Japanese starting in early 1939.
How do you get a nation to surrender, who culturally won't surrender.
The conventional bombings were worse , and the B29 Bomber programme was more expensive than the Manhattan Project. The Japanese started down this route. The Chinese wartime capital of Chongqing was firebombed by the Imperial Japanese starting in early 1939.
How do you get a nation to surrender, who culturally won't surrender.
The US has made a lot of global mistakes over the years Cambodia, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan to name a few, which normal people would call it crimes.
I wonder what will be the next mistake ? it will always be a mistake if people keep defending it.
They try and blame everyone else but they never admit the mistake or they don't want to take the blame, get blamed.
Pakistan did not start the war with Afghanistan or tell them to start a war with Afghanistan over a group, they could have just tracked and sent a task force to deal with it like they normally do in private.
Why did they not ? because it was not in its beneficial it could gain more by invading same goes for the others.
What did Pakistan have to do with the solution ?
All America has done over the decades is just made people hate them more for what they did to them and their counties and not showing any remorse or helping after.
it just made it easier for manipulators to recruit more people and radicalise over the years with what they did, ISI, Taliban etc
I'm not suspired after what the countries look like after US leaves, taking what they wanted.
In Afghanistan they just left, leaving behind a destroyed and starving nation, they should have helped set up a basic system supply fund to rebuild
I assume Cambodia, Iraq, Libya was no better. Some of the images you see online make you sick and wonder are they even human.
They had Pakistan help them used them as much as they could but when things start to change with all the tech and might of the US they could not beat the guys in mountains so they needed a scapegoat (oh there you are Pakistan)
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We never know, they did surrender in the end but that's not my point they cant act morally right after doing that. It was horrendous what would you be saying now if Japan or Germany did it instead.
You seem entirely ignorant of Pakistan and Afghanistan history.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan–Pakistan_relations
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan–Pakistan_relations
We know for sure they didn't surrender until the bomb was dropped.
Japan and Germany did far far worse. They started these wars that directly led to these events. In fact this style of total war was created by them.
If that really was the case and that simple, do you really think the US would not do anything it would not have been as simple.
and that make The US better for dropping atomic bombs ?
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Soldato
It's debatable. Some historians claimed that Japan were ready to surrender anyway and that the US just wanted to drop the bombs anyway to make a statement to the world.
There was no real solution, well not how America wanted anyway and they should be paying Afghanistan to fix its self instead of causing more issues they should have helped set up a basic system supply fund to rebuild.
IMO The US are not Righteousness in any way or form, they just know how to manipulate better than other, they do not help others they help themselves.
if they did help other why are some many conflicts and wars going on for years/decades which could be much easier to resolved than invading instead they dont care, in some cases making them worse. Is it because it does not gain anything any benefits ?
Like I said Just take our own Government for example the promises they made and what's happening.
What they did and are doing to us half of which we would not know if it was not leaked and we don't even know about the other half and even then they face no consequences compared to the average person and that's what they are doing to us not some other country, what do you think they will and have been doing to other countries ??
The US will be as bad if not worse.
You cant take everything by what you get told because its not always true. you will only find out years later if something gets leaked.
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What about any of that is simple.
You seen to think ending the war was irrelevant.
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If there was no solution then what the US did in Afghanistan has had no effect. It has returned to the chaos from which it came.
Though since the Americans left. Some Afghans are only realizing what they've lost. The clock has rolled back not 20 yrs but far further than that. Not entirely sure what century. Let's see what the Taliban do with it.
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They do claim that Japan would have surrendered. But without any creditable evidence to support it. It's basically what if...on grand scale.
The Atomic bombs did send a message to Stalin that he couldn't and didn't ignore.
Soldato
There was infrastructure starting to be built, women could work and girls could get an education, that's all be undone now though.
Pakistan had a huge hand in the conflict, wounded Taliban fighters would hop back over the border to be treated for example.
An old article but lays out some important points https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2008/09/pakistan-is-the-problem.html
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2008/09/pakistan-is-the-problem.html
Also, whats your suggestion for dealing with psychopathic dictatorships? Co existence with them isn't possible, just look at Ukraine now. At least Saddam was taken out before he got nukes.
A lot of these countries are propped up by US aid. I don't think the US are getting value for money. I wonder will the events in Ukraine make the US re think it's foreign aid policy.
Well they seam to think and make everything huge simple so why could something small like that not be simple ?
No, I think dropping 2 atomic bombs was a bad thing, everything after that was bad and showing no remorse.
For a nation of good so on it the same as others
They could have done that with just one, and yes its what if no one knows.
if your going to quote me don't leave words out.
There was no real solution, well not how America wanted anyway.
Not true the real chaos came after the US marched in and left it worse than ever, It had a huge affect on the World, UK. US, China, Afghanistan and Iraq, etc
sending us all back a few decades and rise in hatred and Racism
It even boldened China and Russia, if nothing happened to the US they could do the same.
OK Its bad when the towers with people got attacked by a terrorist group, the US got angary threw their weight around and went to war with a entire country because of a group but why is it not much much worse when they destroy 3 plus countries 100'000s of people, take what they can don't leave much destroy everything and leave when they are loosing and still blame others.
in that time the nation goes backwords by decades, buildings and roads get destroyed people starve everything is stuck,
They even make the Al-Qaeda Taliban worse and making it easier to recruit new members
On top don't repair the damage or support the rebuild and people
Now the US has left I hope Al-Qaeda Taliban mellows out and lets the country grow and prosper allowing women and girls to make a future for themselves
The infrastructure was destroyed first, then they started rebuilding it.
How far did they get in 20 years ??
Women could work and girls could get an education in the past also.
Did they leave anything so the people don't starve
That's the same with the US Mexico boarder.
The nation went backwords by decades, buildings and roads got destroyed people starve everything is stuck,
They even made the Al-Qaeda Taliban worse and made it easier to recruit new members.
also if the US cant control Al-Qaeda Taliban how could Pakistan ? something to think about.
Yes Pakistan had a huge hand in the conflict, in backing up the US, but they always need scapegoats for this reason, they lost now they can blame others.
Which maybe why Pakistan is not turning to others.
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Well bush and trump are gone so less psychopathic nation hopefully but you never know that could just be the surface it may change again in a few years.
We are and have been existing with them for years the only difference now is you are made to see more of the one that are gaining more power. and some psychopathic nation you just ignore.
just look at Ukraine now? look at Crimea a few years ago, Hong Kong just look at the middle east over the last 20 - 30 years, look at Africa, palistine, Kashmir over the decades I can go on, it just what you are made to see and want to see.
You have a lot psychopathic nations and dictatorships to deal with but how many will the US continue to support. but to be honest they could have dealt with a lot of them if they wanted they just don't want to.
sounds like bs. There was quite a bit of gap between the 1st and 2nd bombs where Japan was asked to surrender they refused