Afghanistan - 20 years on

B&W said:
Check out Suhail Shaheen Twitter account, official spokesman of Taliban.

A Shia march was held in Kabul today, it was allowed none were harmed. Girls also were pictured going to school, can't find it now but this goes with what the Taliban were saying.

The country is sick of war, most Talibans are pretty young. a lot of people across the Islamic world have congratulated them, it's there time to proove themselves better then they were before. Would be the wise thing to do.
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I don't believe a word they say.
That guy says
!The Islamic Emirate has ordered its Mujahideen and once again instructs them that no one is allowed to enter anyone's house without permission. Life, property and honor of none shall be harmed but must be protected by the Mujahedeen"

And yet they was going in to peoples houses looking for the old enemy and rounding them up.
 
Rroff said:
Thing is though the US spent the last few months if anything undermining the ability for the Afghans to fight back and did little to address many well known issues - sure a good bit of the blame falls on the Afghan government but the US wasn't detached from that - especially due to doing the US's bidding they were left spread out trying to hold the whole country ineffectively instead of projecting power from well defended lines allowing the Taliban to easily flank them and concentrate their forces for the most effect taking strategic positions while the Afghan forces were still configured for redundant US requirements leaving them cut off and with no option but to run or surrender even if they wanted to fight - and by that point those that were only there for the money, actually supported the Taliban, etc. had already left.

I'm actually surprised how quickly and with so little fighting in the last days it did fall but I saw weeks back the strategic position on the ground was ****** and unless they rapidly fell back to defendable positions the country was done. I just thought it would still be 2-3 weeks of fighting yet.

I'd be less bothered if it wasn't for Biden going on TV to berate them, in a very weird manner, for not fighting back after the US played a good part in why they weren't in much of a position to fight back while showing he was either hopelessly out of touch with the facts on the ground, hopelessly inept or unashamedly lying. If he'd gone on TV and said "well the situation is ****** and all we can do is pull out" I might have a little respect for him.



Things will change when the eyes of the world aren't on them. But also, and not just propaganda, there seems to be quite a division between the more hardline older school Taliban and the younger ones especially the political wing - I think we may see the country fragment into infighting and tribal differences, etc. in the not too distant future.
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I’d have thought the Afghan army would have had a bit more autonomy to do what it thought was necessary to defend the country. Things fell apart too quickly for them to fall back and consolidate.
As said though, the US presence there was too small for them to change the situation. The only way things could have gone differently were more boots in the ground. That was never going to be an option for Biden.

Inevitable and sad really. At least they seem to be hanging around long enough to get the people who helped them out.

I do also wonder, with 20 years of a more liberal lifestyle for folks in the cities, how things will go for the Taliban if they try to go old school? Maybe the most hardline from back then are pretty much all gone or went over to groups like isis?!
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Trump fully deserved his ban for encouraging an insurrection and fashioning the Big Lie to undermine the legitimate election that he lost but his ego couldn't accept, a lie he still continues to this day.
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Which makes him more deserving of a ban than the Taliban, who actually kill people then???? :confused:

I mean I know you don't like the guy but "mean tweets vs actual death" and, to you, a ban for saying mean tweets is justified but you didn't mention anything about banning the Taliban as well in your reply to the comment about why they aren't banned, just Trump, and that confuses me.

Do you think the Taliban should be banned or just Trump?
 
There is a very simplistic view that the well trained well equipped just fled when when US pulled out last week.

The US signalled this a while back and then started reducing commitment over time leading probably many in the ANA to just think sod it as they see the inevitable.

This last few days is the just culmination of a bad strategy coupled with no real evacuation plan.

a lot of the ANA fought well and hard for years. Yes there was corruption at all levels but it definitely was wrong of Biden to try finger point at them just giving up. It's scandalous to say.
 
Rabb making the usual effort to be bent over, cheeks wide for our American overlords.

'Global Britain' is getting off to a grand old start.
 
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chrismscotland said:
I've been surprised to see not a single one of the Western Allies that was in Afghanistan claiming to have "seen it coming"; they're all saying it was a surprise; something on the ground clearly wasn't being picked up or communicated truthfully....
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That could be diplomat speak for "It happened much quicker than we were expecting"

I've seen mention that a report stated the Afghan government would fall in 90 days.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Trump fully deserved his ban for encouraging an insurrection and fashioning the Big Lie to undermine the legitimate election that he lost but his ego couldn't accept, a lie he still continues to this day.
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"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
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Just stop please it's embarrassing, you're defending the Taliban being on Twitter
 
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