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Killing off newt and hicks ruined it for me.
Alien TV series (Alien Earth) : 2025
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Soldato
Lol imagine being a massive fan of Aliens going on release night in a time with very little internet access and seeing that in the first 10 mins. Well that’s what I got I lived it! Oh and after it finished at almost midnight some drunk scumbag tried to ram me off the road in his work van with his mates hanging out the back.
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Guess they hated it too lol
I don't get the love for Newt and Hicks personally, Newt was a pretty wooden kid actor, which you can't just brush over with the 'she's traumatised' excuse. Hicks is the good guy grunt.... same character he played in Terminator. A couple of classic meme lines save them.
Charles Dance's character and performance as Clemens in Alien 3 is miles better than either of em. What really makes 3 for me is all the characters are so well written and acted, a league above any other Alien film, and obviously Ripley is the star of the show. The whole setup of her on the hyper-macho prison world full of criminals and the tension there is ace. The sets and cinematography are excellent. We go back to the suspense of barely seeing the Alien the whole film, the stop-motion and puppetry when you do see it is great and more visceral and impactful compared to the dudes in rubber suits flopping around in Aliens.
The central conceit of one alien in a contained space with a bunch of people with no weapons is a better setup, especially as its all these super-masculine hard men being reduced to gibbering wrecks.
I think I need to break out my one and only bluray purchase and rewatch it this weekend actually, since I'm stuck indoors with covid!
Charles Dance's character and performance as Clemens in Alien 3 is miles better than either of em. What really makes 3 for me is all the characters are so well written and acted, a league above any other Alien film, and obviously Ripley is the star of the show. The whole setup of her on the hyper-macho prison world full of criminals and the tension there is ace. The sets and cinematography are excellent. We go back to the suspense of barely seeing the Alien the whole film, the stop-motion and puppetry when you do see it is great and more visceral and impactful compared to the dudes in rubber suits flopping around in Aliens.
The central conceit of one alien in a contained space with a bunch of people with no weapons is a better setup, especially as its all these super-masculine hard men being reduced to gibbering wrecks.
I think I need to break out my one and only bluray purchase and rewatch it this weekend actually, since I'm stuck indoors with covid!
A lot of it is how casually they are dismissed in 3 when a large part of Aliens. Some scenes which included interaction between the two at the bit where they are looking at the map emerged recently on YouTube which never made it to the movie which are quite decent character development though brief.
You'd be fuming if you read what William Gibson did to Ripley in his script
Considering he initially did one great movie and 2 mediocre ones before the news of his Alien sequel came out, I was never on board. He's visually excellent but he's not a great story teller. I'd happily see him direct an Alien movie written by someone else though.
I'm in danger of repeating what I posted in the Fede Alvarez Alien movie thread though so i'll get back in my box
Soldato
I don't think people were expecting Carrie Henn to turn in an oscar-winning performance (depsite winning a few awards for her role), I'd suggest it's more likely it's what Newt represents to Ripley which was more important and the same with Hicks, although he does have a few of his own "hero" moments to make him stand-out from the rest.
You'd be fuming if you read what William Gibson did to Ripley in his script
I'm not that invested in any one character in Aliens it is the ensemble of the cast and the gritty feel which makes it - it is one of a tiny number of movies I can rewatch time and time again - most movies once I've watched once that is it.
Alien 3 in its own way is a great movie, they just should have made it more discrete to Aliens and it is very different to what made Aliens enjoyable.
See, I've always preferred Alien, to me it stands out as a genuine masterpiece of film-making, everything about it is absolutely spot on. It's my #1 film of all time, and hasn't aged a day, still looks as good as when it released in 1979.
Aliens took it in a different direction, it's a James Cameron movie! The characters are more charicatures and less nuanced and real, it's big, bombastic, more aliens, more guns, more explosions, more big set pieces, loads of cheesy one-liners, more special effects, and it's really bloody long. I love it but it's much more a big blockbuster style movie, and lost a bit of what made Alien great. The visuals haven't aged well at all. It's still great, like Predator, and T2, but a bit more....vanilla.
Alien 3 went back to the original formula. No yeehaw marines, no guns, no explosions bombast, no cheesy one-liners. More focused on a bunch of 'normal' (well, -ish) people trying to figure out this lone alien killing machine that's stalking them. The stop-motion effects look amazing still compared to the flopping rubber suits in Aliens.
So there
Aliens is the abberation, the spin-off. Alien3 is the true successor to Alien.
Caporegime
Your first two paragraphs are spot on and I was like, this guy gets it.
You then fell off a cliff.
RIP
You then fell off a cliff.
RIP
Timothy Olyphant Joins Noah Hawley’s Alien TV Series
Xenomorph Vs. Olyphant? We don't like the alien's chances. See the news at Empire.
www.empireonline.com
Set 70 years in the future on Earth. Which would put it somewhere around the events of Prometheus which left earth 2091 landed 2093.
Not sure what to make of that. Noah Hawley and Timothy Olyphant, yes please, but more Prometheus, no thanks.
Is this more of a Caprica esq prequel ?
Caporegime
Yeah I've gone from 'wait and see' to 'yes please now' Olyphant is one of those actors I'll check out anything he's in.
Noah Hawley suggesting he's ignoring Prometheus / Covenant and the whole Engineers / bioweapon backstory.
www.hollywoodreporter.com
Noah Hawley Explains Why ‘Prometheus’ Isn’t “Useful” for His ‘Alien’ Prequel
The 'Fargo' showrunner teases his FX 'Alien' prequel series and explains why he won't use the franchise's backstory and technology aesthetics from 'Prometheus' and 'Alien: Covenant.'
www.hollywoodreporter.com
Soldato
You'd better buddy, you'd better!
I was one of the few lunatics who attended the midnight premiere of "that film", stood amongst the rest of the hardcore Aliens Universe fans, happily wearing my "Narcissus" t-shirt in homage to the first film and my "Bug Stomper" baseball cap in homage to the second, chatting away with the 100+ other fans all excitedly looking forward to what Ridley Scott brought us as the next instalment of his master-piece creation, only to walk out at the end to a very muted, almost sombre reaction from this group of hardcore fans. Almost no-one talked and the few that did were in hushed tones, almost as if no-one even dared voice the same thing we all seemed to be thinking "well that was crap!" and by the time I made to the car park those thoughts started to give way to loud animated "well that was crap!" conversations as people finally processed what they'd been through whilst they got in their cars and sped away from the source of their trauma.
To say that I was devastated by just how poor I felt this film was would be a monumental understatement, and this is 100% true if an over-reaction I know, but I've never worn any of my Alien Universe t-shirts, hats etc since nor watched the follow-up film either.
Other than that I thought it was OK though
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Really don’t want more Prometheus crap.
Id love a direct sequel to Aliens myself but that project is dead and buried.
If they explore anything could be resurrection ending as clone ripley finally got back to earth if I recall right. Though she is far too old to play any main protagonist role now
Id love a direct sequel to Aliens myself but that project is dead and buried.
If they explore anything could be resurrection ending as clone ripley finally got back to earth if I recall right. Though she is far too old to play any main protagonist role now
This is great news, has only raised my expectations of the show even further.Noah Hawley suggesting he's ignoring Prometheus / Covenant and the whole Engineers / bioweapon backstory.
Noah Hawley Explains Why ‘Prometheus’ Isn’t “Useful” for His ‘Alien’ Prequel
The 'Fargo' showrunner teases his FX 'Alien' prequel series and explains why he won't use the franchise's backstory and technology aesthetics from 'Prometheus' and 'Alien: Covenant.'
News today says they have plans for multiple seasons across a 3 act run.
"Alien" Series Has Multiple Seasons Planned - Dark Horizons
“Fargo” series creator Noah Hawley’s new “Alien” TV series for FX has resumed production in Thailand and Hawley, out talking up the “Fargo” finale recently, says this isn’t a one-and-done and the plan is for multiple seasons. Timothy Olyphant, Essie Davis, Alex Lawther, Samuel Blenkin, Kit...
www.darkhorizons.com