Alienware announces the AW2725DF and AW3225QF (worlds first 4k 240hz and worlds first 1440p 360hz QD-OLED monitors - launches January 2024)

Unless you have a probe and have calibrated your monitor yourself, then the only icc profile set should be the Windows HDR Calibration profile. Anything else will not be the most optimum for your specific panel and instead you should be using the most colour accurate mode (Creator, SRGB, Gamma 2.2) if you want to best out of QD-OLED in terms of accurate colours.

HDR should only be enabled when viewing HDR content, these can be auto triggered anyway or WINKEY+B before a game load.
 
mrk said:
nless you have a probe and have calibrated your monitor yourself, then the only icc profile set should be the Windows HDR Calibration profile.
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It was with a probe I said

Even though it's not done on someone elses AW3225QF they could still look better than the dell ones, no harm in trying the ones I created with a calibrator, for people who own that same specific model of monitor

It's common for people to get ICC profiles from rtings etc, they always link one in their reviews

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Dell Alienware AW3225QF Review

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no harm in trying out options to see if there's one that gives more accurate colours.
 
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Yeah but that's my point, the factory calibration is already very accurate in the colour accurate mode, a probe derived one from someone else's panel will be out of whack with each other panel as the tolerances vary depending on the use condition (settings, room etc). Unlike past panels, QD-OLED really doesn't need to be user calibrated with this in mind really.
 
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Yeah but that's my point, the factory calibration is already very accurate in the colour accurate mode, a probe derived one from someone else's panel will be out of whack with each other panel as the tolerances vary depending on the use condition (settings, room etc). Unlike past panels, QD-OLED really doesn't need to be user calibrated with this in mind really.
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But it is still needed to run the windows HDR app?
 
No, the Windows HDR app creates a HDR profile which is only used by Windows when HDR mode is being used, not in SDR mode. On Windows currently (this may change with Windows 12) you should not be leaving HDR enabled at all times otherwise you will be getting SDR colours (99% of all content) that are not correct. Unlike on MacOS where HDR can be always left on as SDR is tonemapped properly.

The Windows HDR profile does not interfere with anything else, it is only used when in HDR mode as you can see this behaviour by simply going into display settings, enabling HDR mode and see that the profile is used, and with HDR off, it is not.
 
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No, the Windows HDR app creates a HDR profile which is only used by Windows when HDR mode is being used
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windows creates a new ICC colour profile and uses it instead of the dell true black 400 profile that already exists.

open colour management and you will see all the profiles windows put their from hdr calibrations
mrk said:
Unless you have a probe and have calibrated your monitor yourself, then the only icc profile set should be the Windows HDR Calibration profile. Anything else will not be the most optimum for your specific panel and instead you should be using the most colour accurate mode (Creator, SRGB, Gamma 2.2) if you want to best out of QD-OLED in terms of accurate colours.
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but are they? think about it.

where do the colour profiles in windows come from? they comr from the monitor drivers right, so everyone is using the exact same dell colour profile as everyone else, the ones from dell aren;'t custom to your monitor either

I bet what dell does at the factory with the panels is try to adjust the panels to match the profile, surely its the only way that makes sense.

Panel Refresh kinda does the same thing as a factory calibration I guess, it adjusts how much power each diode needs to achieve the optimal brightness which is why you should never run it manually.
but at the factory they are probably trying to get the diodes to match a colour profile
 
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The dell profile only exists if you installed the dell software/driver - Which is not needed. the correct profile to be using is the one created by Windows HDR Calibration tool.

We've been through all this countless times in both the DW and now QF thread, it's a tried and proven methodology.
 
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The dell profile only exists if you installed the dell software/driver - Which is not needed. the correct profile to be using is the one created by Windows HDR Calibration tool.
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how are they not needed? they are literally what the factory calibration is based on

Without installing the profile the operating system would not know the color characteristics of the monitor, leading to incorrect colors being displayed when you select a color profile like DCI-P3 or sRGB.

A color profile is a set of data which defines a device working with colors, and how this device displays colors. The color profiles communicate the color characteristics of the device you use, to the operating system. If the devices you use have correct color profiles associated with them, then you can be sure that the colors you see are as natural as possible.
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You don't need the factory profiles to get the factory calibration for SRGB, and for HDR you should be using the HDR calibration profile that the Windows tool creates. It's as simple as that. We have long determined this anyway going back to gen QD-OLED, and for the QF I have measured (i1 Display pro with correct spectral) the Creator mode accuracy without any profiles active which aligns with the factory calibration and is accurate to 6500K and sub 1 deltas.

You do not need the factory profiles, they don't reflect correct accuracy for the most part.

Again, this is all tried and tested and has been the case for years.
 
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Do any of you have this thing.

Brightness setting on the monitor doesn't seem to take affect when you switch it on, its like windows or something is overriding it.
but I have no brightness control within windows.

when i turn the monitor on and then turn the brightness from 43 > 44 the screen literally darkens to the setting it's supposed to be on.

I thought it might have been Dell Display manager but it's brightness setting is set to the same as my monitors OSD anyway.

I guess the only thing left to do is uninstall Dell DM2 and see if it still happens :/ my old monitor never did it, but my old monitor was using display manager 1
 
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I noticed this in a review of the AW3225QF
However, what's interesting about the AW3225QF specifically is that Dell, in most display modes, appears to be permanently enabling the "logo detection" OLED care feature we've seen on other monitors. On the MSI and Asus monitors, when this setting is enabled, typical brightness is reduced by 25 to 30 nits in most circumstances, however both monitors allow you to disable this setting and get 240 to 250 nits of brightness all of the time. On the Dell model this isn't the case, meaning in a lot of configurations real world max brightness drops from 239 nits to about 210 nits.

There is a workaround for this which is to use the Creator Mode, aka the sRGB mode, which appears to disable this likely logo detection related brightness drop and gives you around 240 nits all of the time.
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Source https://www.techspot.com/review/2814-dell-alienware-aw3225qf/

Sounds legit if they can tell on other panels the nits with logo detection enabled or not.

I guess standard or custom has to be the way for SDR
 
There is no reason to not be using Creator mode anyway given it's the most accurate and 99% of all content is SDR too, this has always been the case since the AW3423DW. The modes are ignored by the panel when playing HDR which is expected and which is why any mode selection is greyed out as the panel is displaying brightness and colour dictated by the HDR content so this does not matter.
 
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There is no reason to not be using Creator mode anyway
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even when its a mode with no logo detection? TFT central says the same thing about that node as techspot based on luminance readings.

all it does is clamp the colours to srgb or p3 anyway and anything with proper colour shading you can just use an ICC with that colour palette.

as you said before all windows does is load the gamma values from it anyway for anything that dosesn't properly use colour profiles
 
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It's not being used as TV, logo detection doesn't really become an issue. In fat this has never been an issue even with the Gen 1 QD OLED, the only issues with screen burn were window outlines, not the start menu or some such, and the latest gen 3 has even better burn mitigation built in than earlier panels anyway.

Again, we've been using QD-OLED for years here now and these are tried and tested methods being discussed, so nothing new.
 
Once again hovering the finger over the buy button on the AW3225QF...

This is probably a stupid question but can anyone tell me what the image quality is like if you run games at 1440p rather than 4k ?

Is it a blurry mess or does it look more or less the same as a native 32" 1440p monitor would ?

I've never run 4k before and I worry that in certain games it may tank my fps below what I consider acceptable. Playing these games at 1440p would gain me some frames back if I needed them, but if the image quality is really bad then this isn't an option.
 
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Once again hovering the finger over the buy button on the AW3225QF...

This is probably a stupid question but can anyone tell me what the image quality is like if you run games at 1440p rather than 4k ?

Is it a blurry mess or does it look more or less the same as a native 32" 1440p monitor would ?

I've never run 4k before and I worry that in certain games it may tank my fps below what I consider acceptable. Playing these games at 1440p would gain me some frames back if I needed them, but if the image quality is really bad then this isn't an option.
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What GPU are you running? I'd just be running DLSS if you've got an Nvidia card, DLSS Performance gets great reviews when used at 4k.

1440p stretched natively to 4k will always look a little odd as it's not a perfect pixel alignment, although you could run 1440p windowed and have a black border. With an OLED monitor the black border is actually fully black, I do this at times on my 1440p OLED and run it at 2368 x 1332 so it's a 24" image.
 
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What GPU are you running? I'd just be running DLSS if you've got an Nvidia card, DLSS Performance gets great reviews when used at 4k.

1440p stretched natively to 4k will always look a little odd as it's not a perfect pixel alignment, although you could run 1440p windowed and have a black border. With an OLED monitor the black border is actually fully black, I do this at times on my 1440p OLED and run it at 2368 x 1332 so it's a 24" image.
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Im running a 4080 so for most games I presume I should be good. My only worry is Hunt Showdown. I currently run 3440x1440 and tried bumping that up via DLDSR to 4587x1920 and I was struggling to hit the frames id like. Is that resolution notably more taxing than 3840 x 2160 or pretty similar?

Edit: I saw the 'low stock' message appear on Amazon so pulled the trigger at £790.

Without going through the entire 120-page thread, is there some kind of Youtube video that explains how to calibrate the monitor correctly? I've never calibrated a monitor or even fiddled with basic colour settings/profiles before. This is my first experience of OLED so figure I should start caring about that stuff.
 
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imtoooldforthis said:
Im running a 4080 so for most games I presume I should be good. My only worry is Hunt Showdown. I currently run 3440x1440 and tried bumping that up via DLDSR to 4587x1920 and I was struggling to hit the frames id like. Is that resolution notably more taxing than 3840 x 2160 or pretty similar?

Edit: I saw the 'low stock' message appear on Amazon so pulled the trigger at £790.

Without going through the entire 120-page thread, is there some kind of Youtube video that explains how to calibrate the monitor correctly? I've never calibrated a monitor or even fiddled with basic colour settings/profiles before. This is my first experience of OLED so figure I should start caring about that stuff.
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(I feel like we need to sticky this...)
 
Anyway... does anyone have any idea or thoughts how we can clean the screen?

I noticed a small dot of something on mine today and I tried to clean it as carefully as I could but being greasy it's not totally clean and has probably smeared a bit.

I have some screen cleaner but it really doesn't do a good job and only creates smears of it's own so what do you guys use?
 
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