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I dont get that at all
I know Arsenal really only have one decent goal scorer, but surely the income they could get from selling him is much better than getting one further season out of him and letting him go on a free
(edit - I guess his injury record prior to last season isnt great reading, so that might lower any potential price a bit)
I know Arsenal really only have one decent goal scorer, but surely the income they could get from selling him is much better than getting one further season out of him and letting him go on a free
(edit - I guess his injury record prior to last season isnt great reading, so that might lower any potential price a bit)
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Arsenal are morons, not least because they said time and time and time again that they'd stick to their guns and force Nasri to play out the final year of his contract..... money talked, they know it, everyone else knows it, and pretending we suddenly have the balls this season that we didn't have last season.
Fact is that RVP could get injured at the Euro's, he could get injured early in the season at which point no one would bother paying a fee for him, and we'd not get much football from him either.
He wants to go, we want money rather than nothing, other clubs currently want to buy him but that could change quickly. Madness to not sell him, the same stubborn attitude that has seen Arsenal lose most of their best players and keeping certain players Wenger is sure will come good..... but never do.
Surely Wenger would think something along the lines of - sell him, and buy someone like Cavani? Quality, not injury prone, etc.
Instead of being stubborn and losing loads of money over it, on top of which you're forcing a player to stay and play who doesn't want to so will put in sub par performances.
Instead of being stubborn and losing loads of money over it, on top of which you're forcing a player to stay and play who doesn't want to so will put in sub par performances.
exactly. there's no denying RVP's ability but other than season just gone, his injuries have been a big part of his career at arsenal. he doesn't owe arsenal anything but by the very same method, arsenal should cash in instead of him leaving for nothing in a year.
he could sign for city and get injured first appearance and not appear again until march
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I don't personally think he's particularly injury prone, he's had injuries but, a lot of them have been the result of bad tackles and the like.
He's not a Diaby/Rosicky type, but, anyone anywhere can get injured anytime, even if you were certain he wouldn't be injured, not taking money for someone who will otherwise leave on a free next year is just stupid.
I don't really trust Wenger to get the right players to replace him. I'm a fan of Podolski, but very few strikers will match what RVP did. I also worry about the system we'll play, without RVP we'll struggle to find a single striker to replace his goals. Back to 4-4-2 would let us play two real strikers, two different types of strikers who work well together and give us options.
The only good player we got last season, was one everyone had seen play in the prem league for years and we all knew how good he was. His buys from france/greece/germany were frankly rubbish.
We've spent years buying tosh like Chamakh rather than buying a promising younger striker who wasn't over priced yet. Imagine how set up we'd be if we'd bought Falcao a few years ago instead of Chamakh, or any other top striker. WE paid through the teeth for the potential in AOC, we've had Wilshire for a decade, theres smeg all else in terms of younger players coming through that look premier league quality.
He's not a Diaby/Rosicky type, but, anyone anywhere can get injured anytime, even if you were certain he wouldn't be injured, not taking money for someone who will otherwise leave on a free next year is just stupid.
I don't really trust Wenger to get the right players to replace him. I'm a fan of Podolski, but very few strikers will match what RVP did. I also worry about the system we'll play, without RVP we'll struggle to find a single striker to replace his goals. Back to 4-4-2 would let us play two real strikers, two different types of strikers who work well together and give us options.
The only good player we got last season, was one everyone had seen play in the prem league for years and we all knew how good he was. His buys from france/greece/germany were frankly rubbish.
We've spent years buying tosh like Chamakh rather than buying a promising younger striker who wasn't over priced yet. Imagine how set up we'd be if we'd bought Falcao a few years ago instead of Chamakh, or any other top striker. WE paid through the teeth for the potential in AOC, we've had Wilshire for a decade, theres smeg all else in terms of younger players coming through that look premier league quality.
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He'll have cost at least 20mil before we get shot of him, if we'd paid 5mil and given him 5mil less in wages over the length of his contract, wouldn't have made the blindest bit of difference.
That's ignoring any signing on fee and agent costs, which for free transfers tend to shoot up. Ba was free to newcastle, but still supposedly cost 4-5mil in signing on bonus and agent fee's.
20 million lolwut? He's on 60k a week and on a 4 year contract so even accounting for a few million of random made-up fees on top you're looking at 15 mill or so - on top of which most reports I've seen indicate he is likely to be sold for 5-6 million this summer so as a 'gamble' will have cost pocket change in the grand scheme of things.
Criticism where criticism is due and all but Chamakh is a terrible example of money 'wasted' without even considering that he was pretty highly rated at the time and seemed exactly what Arsenal 'needed' - money wasted is buying Bebe for 8 million quid at a princely 4 million per game played (not including wages!)
Criticism where criticism is due and all but Chamakh is a terrible example of money 'wasted' without even considering that he was pretty highly rated at the time and seemed exactly what Arsenal 'needed' - money wasted is buying Bebe for 8 million quid at a princely 4 million per game played (not including wages!)
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Basically, don't disagree with a word that DM says or you'll be called an idiot.
Lol. Kinda true.
DM is funny character. I find myself agreeing with many of the things he has to say reading his masive blocks of text. But then more often than not he comes out with some strange things. Lol. Not just in football, also in graphics card section too. Lol
On another note, Arsenal should have got RVP to sign before the euros or sell him before. What I am thinking or hoping at least is that RVP is happy to sign once we secure a few more signatures and that is the hold up.
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Everything at the time suggested 80k a week, which fits in with Arsenal's wage structure(Sol made FAR more than the average wage due to being free transfer), almost every team pays higher wages for free transfers... and usually screw themselves doing it because they also end up with a player they can't shift due to said wages being something most clubs don't want to match and most players won't give up... then they often wait out their contract and do the same to the next club.
Chamakh might leave, the last thing I heard him saying was he was willing to stay.... not exactly encouraging. If it's 80k its 16mil for his contract and 4mil in signing on/agent fee's is not at all abnormal for a free transfer.
As for wasted, he wasn't ever highly rated, he never looked, and has never looked for even 3 seconds better than Bendtner or Vela, and both of those players were already at Arsenal, Bendtner when he ever got games scored more than Chamakh did and in the EPL, not the weak french league where, yes Gervinho got 14 goals... despite being rubbish.
There wasn't a single chance a player who wasn't stupidly young, who never looked more than average, would ever look even that good in a FAR stronger league.
We paid a worse player, significantly more, than a player we already had who is better and was producing goals. 10mil, 20million, 3 million, if you want to pretend its change, go ahead, but when you waste that much on a dozen different transfers.... think what you could have gotten instead.
Mertesacker was a waste, Dos Santos can't defend, like, at all, Chamakh was a poor Bendtner before he joined, so we paid him more to be a worse Bendtner, Gervinho is gash.
Add all that up and think about the price/quality of player we could have instead.
Chamakh might leave, the last thing I heard him saying was he was willing to stay.... not exactly encouraging. If it's 80k its 16mil for his contract and 4mil in signing on/agent fee's is not at all abnormal for a free transfer.
As for wasted, he wasn't ever highly rated, he never looked, and has never looked for even 3 seconds better than Bendtner or Vela, and both of those players were already at Arsenal, Bendtner when he ever got games scored more than Chamakh did and in the EPL, not the weak french league where, yes Gervinho got 14 goals... despite being rubbish.
There wasn't a single chance a player who wasn't stupidly young, who never looked more than average, would ever look even that good in a FAR stronger league.
We paid a worse player, significantly more, than a player we already had who is better and was producing goals. 10mil, 20million, 3 million, if you want to pretend its change, go ahead, but when you waste that much on a dozen different transfers.... think what you could have gotten instead.
Mertesacker was a waste, Dos Santos can't defend, like, at all, Chamakh was a poor Bendtner before he joined, so we paid him more to be a worse Bendtner, Gervinho is gash.
Add all that up and think about the price/quality of player we could have instead.
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Lol. Kinda true.
DM is funny character. I find myself agreeing with many of the things he has to say reading his masive blocks of text. But then more often than not he comes out with some strange things. Lol. Not just in football, also in graphics card section too. Lol
On another note, Arsenal should have got RVP to sign before the euros or sell him before. What I am thinking or hoping at least is that RVP is happy to sign once we secure a few more signatures and that is the hold up.
Well you know the saying, throw enough.... some of it will stick
I do love how DM thinks Wenger is to blame when we gamble on players. Every player anyone buys there is a chance they wont suit the league, be injured or just be lazy. That is just how football is DM. Get over it and support your club.
Personally I think Wenger has done amazing this season considering how badly we started.
Plus all these RVP links are just rumours. If he wants to go then sell him to City for as much as possible, or to Juve for less if they still want him.
This is the best part of the season when we have players on show at the Euros and the rumours start flying. lets just enjoy it rather than picking out all Wengers mistakes.
Put your money where your mouth is DM, who would you buy if you were Wenger? I dont want to hear your list of who you would get rid of or is collecting dust. Who would you buy and what would your starting Eleven be?
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Do Liverpool fans think they'll keep hold of Skrtel?
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...1/liverpool-to-demand-20m-for-wantaway-skrtel
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...1/liverpool-to-demand-20m-for-wantaway-skrtel
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Well you know the saying, throw enough.... some of it will stick
I do love how DM thinks Wenger is to blame when we gamble on players. Every player anyone buys there is a chance they wont suit the league, be injured or just be lazy. That is just how football is DM. Get over it and support your club.
Personally I think Wenger has done amazing this season considering how badly we started.
Plus all these RVP links are just rumours. If he wants to go then sell him to City for as much as possible, or to Juve for less if they still want him.
This is the best part of the season when we have players on show at the Euros and the rumours start flying. lets just enjoy it rather than picking out all Wengers mistakes.
Put your money where your mouth is DM, who would you buy if you were Wenger? I dont want to hear your list of who you would get rid of or is collecting dust. Who would you buy and what would your starting Eleven be?
No gambles are fine, I'm happy taking gambles, I've said that repeatedly, Wenger doesn't take gambles, he doesn't let Diaby go and try a bunch of young players and hope to get a good one, he sticks with something that won't ever be good enough.
Also again, Chamakh wasn't a gamble, the BEST he could have been was as good as he was before he came to the EPL< which is a very very very average striker worse than Bendtner and Vela. THat was if he was at his best, at his worst he would have been as he is now, ****. Also the general money on free transfer players is..... bad history. When a player screws his club and waits for a big wage, well more often than not you get an unmotivated player, more interested in the money, unwilling to leave for first team football and costing you a lot.
The rare exceptions are where players have relegation release clauses and the like.
Well lets see who I said we should have bought last year.... oh yeah, I said Dempsey at well under 10mil would be a brilliant buy.....
Baines would have been a far better value buy than Dos Santos, wait, I said that last year as well. Those two alone would have made a huge difference this year.... and we could still buy both this season as well.
As for money where my mouth is, unlike some on here I don't keep lists of FM players around to pull names out my ass. HEre's a clue, Wenger is paid millions a year and he pays multiple scouts 100k's a year to find better players.... and has bought exceptionally poorly lately and stuck with players that have sucked.
Likewise, getting rid of players free's up wages, profits and transfer funds, it is EQUALLY as important as it directly effects who you can buy, considering my argument FOR YEARS has been that Wenger has been screwing us, asking me how I'd fix it this year alone is rather, pointless, because my plan was to get rid of Wenger. Before this transfer window we would have less **** to get rid of and a better first team to start with. Last season was just another season our team got worse, more expensive, and harder to get back to a league competitive team.
Let's list Wenger's buys Dos Santos, 58th string left back for Brazil, briefly, oldish and no one's ever heard of him and coming from a very weak league, he didn't look good, he isn't good, it wasn't a gamble, this was a player that cost too much, is on a high wage and isn't good.
Chamakh was never a great player, ever, at any stage, there was zero potential for a great player there, no gamble, just someone that wasn't good enough. Gervinho, great stats, for one season, anyone that has or had seen him play, he's not good enough, infact he's almost completely useless, not a gamble, not a good player, simple as that. Mertesacker, every other big club in Europe(and Germany) decided he was too slow for a top top team.... not a gamble, a bad choice. Benny... known quantity, not good enough, no gamble, bad choice, Arteta, known quantity, actually good enough... still not a gamble.
A gamble is getting Arfa and he turns out great or awful, AOC is a gamble, over 10mil for an unproven youngster but who has a lot of potential is a gamble, buying a player who simply isn't good, and continues to not be good for Arsenal is NOT a gamble, its a bad buy and can't be described as anything else.
Oh, and Bendtner just scored against Brazil.
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I knew you couldnt do it. You dont have to own FM to be able to pick players who you think would do a good job. It is easy to pick players who we should have got. You watch football games right? EPL, International, CL, etc Then surely you can pick out some truly great players that are worthy of an Arsenal shirt. Please dont say Bendtner and Eboue...
Shame he has never made it in the EPL though
So in your eyes only success stories are gambles?
Could you do me a favour and lend Wenger your hindsight machine lol
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By all accounts he's happy at Liverpool but wants to see who we go for as manager before signing a new contract.
Given City paid £22 million for Lescott I'd want a lot more for Skrtel if he does leave though.
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Lescott is English though, hence inflated price. Skrtel going for more than £22 million would make me do big lols.
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Best defender along with Kompany this season and will go for more than he's worth if City buy him.
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