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Under USA felony murder law, all 3 participants would be found guilty of murder regardless of who made the fatal blows.
At least 2/3 have been caught.
Amanda Knoxx retrial
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Under USA felony murder law, all 3 participants would be found guilty of murder regardless of who made the fatal blows.
At least 2/3 have been caught.
What would be the motive for a criminal drifter to team up with two University students so they could help him rape and murder one of the students flatmates? Rudy had threatened another woman at knifepoint only a few days prior to the murder.
Means
Motive
Opportunity
Rudy had all 3 and fled to Germany straight after, why would Knox and Sollecito just hang around and why did they want to help Rudy rape and kill her?
Is someone going to tackle these questions or what?
Means
Motive
Opportunity
Rudy had all 3 and fled to Germany straight after, why would Knox and Sollecito just hang around and why did they want to help Rudy rape and kill her?
Is someone going to tackle these questions or what?
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Rudy was not a drifter. He'd lived in the area since early childhood and had an apartment near Sollecito's.
That said, it does not make sense as to why they would team up, yet it seems very likely that Knox was there after the murder... the 'break in' is suspect, alongside her consistantly changing story.
That said, it does not make sense as to why they would team up, yet it seems very likely that Knox was there after the murder... the 'break in' is suspect, alongside her consistantly changing story.
The only DNA evidence at the scene was found on a bra strap collected 47 days after the murder when the crime scene had been totally compromised. Countless experts in crime scene examination have noted the poor working practices of the investigators. There is even video evidence of these practices, where blood gets on their gloves before they move to another location and do not change gloves.
All DNA from Knox was found in the bathroom she shared with Meradith. Rudys DNA was all over the scene.
This outlines some of the details:
The bra clasp
All DNA from Knox was found in the bathroom she shared with Meradith. Rudys DNA was all over the scene.
This outlines some of the details:
The bra clasp
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I would say that is fairly easy, the media frenzy around the case in Italy has compromised it beyond repair. You only have to look at the way our press have handled it to show the obsession over Knox and Sollecito and a total lack of interest in Guede.
There has also been an obsession by the lead prosecutor inventing the ridiculous ideas the killing was part of a satanic orgy (he has a long history of doing this, read the book "The monster of Florence" to see him in action on another case). This plays well in a small Catholic town and the jury I believe have simply been overwhelmed and can no longer take a step back and look objectively at the whole picture. The mythology of "Foxy Knoxy" as she was named by the Italian press became stronger than reality.
One of the comments the police made was that Knox did not seem to mourn the death of Kercher correctly. The Italian housemates wailed and sobbed loudly at the news while Knox was introverted and numb. But is this not a cultural thing and simply misread by the authorities and the locals? I believe this is the sort of evidence she was convicted on, not hard scientific rational evidence.
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Another thing that just smacks of how broken the Italian justice situation is: Rafaelle Sollecito is once again classed as a convicted murderer. So they confiscate his passport and let him be.
I think he's innocent but that just strikes me as ludicrous.
I think he's innocent but that just strikes me as ludicrous.
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When the trial is COMPLETELY public and all details are shared with the public, what makes you think the jury is more informed than anyone else who can read the same details?
The fact is, the jury doesn't matter, it's the prosecution lying about everything. Based on what the jury is being told, it's likely I'd find her guilty without knowing the prosecution is a completely corrupt useless pile of turd.
The fact that the lead prosecutor was focusing more on her being evil because she liked sex than on any actual real evidence says a lot. Don't forget this will be the most public and worldwide known trial he will ever take part in. I wouldn't ignore that by accusing a pretty american woman rather than the african guy who is clearly guilty or murder, dna everywhere, ran away after the crime, admitted it in jail(and did he not eventually say he did it on his own, WAY later?), the prosecutor went from a pretty open and shut case which would take all of a couple days in court with simply no way to argue against him being guilty to an international several year long public trial.
Book deals, constant press coverage, no reason the prosecutor would want to get on the fame/book deal/money bandwagon and accuse her.... only a corrupt person would do that..........
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This is literally nothing more than a face saving trial. With no real chance to put her in jail... rather than be the country that got it so entirely embarrassingly wrong with their corruption on show for everyone to see. By appealing and finding her guilty(shocker) they get to claim they were right all along, the media/american interference was at fault for releasing her... they are the best and knew she was guilty all along.
This is literally a for the media "see, we weren't wrong" statement to save some people embarrassment, maybe some jobs, and maybe a huge lawsuit as well.
I don't know if Knox was planning to, but she had every right to sue the living crap out of everyone involved in the freak show. I don't think she was because it would probably mean going to Italy to do it, but again finding her guilty makes it impossible for her to do so.
As soon as they appealed the outcome was assured.
The only thing I don't get is why Sollecito was still in Italy, as soon as found not guilty last time he should have left the country, let them do whatever the hell they were going to do. They wanted to save face with the world, and don't give a damn if they put him back in jail(which they might do eventually.. he was just caught trying to leave Italy I believe), why he didn't leave earlier I really don't know.
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Yeah, why on earth would you not be somewhere other than Italy when the verdict is to be reached? Maybe he thought that if he left the country it would look like an admission of guilt?
I just can't fathom this case at all. All the evidence seems to suggest the correct murderer is already convicted and behind bars... and there is no solid evidence to suggest Sollecito & Knox were involved. Yet they've been found guilty (again)!?
How long until the next retrial/acquittal then?
How long until the next retrial/acquittal then?
Is that the case? Are you certain that the public has had access to all of the same evidence and information that the jury has had?
Presumably, if there wasn't any evidence to support what the prosecution are saying, they wouldn't have been found guilty?
That's not entirely true. There was a knife found which had DNA of the victim on the blade, and Knox on the handle, although the DNA sample was limited.
Knox testified that a smear of her own blood in the bathroom was not there on the afternoon of the murder. Various bits of the bathroom tested for mixed dna profiling of diluted blood; which is totally possible in a house, I know.
There are lots of odd goings on with the footprints which seem to indicate that Knox's feet had blood over them. The court decided there was no other time when this could have happened other than during the murder/cleanup... I'm honestly not sure.
The whole thing just seems very iffy; there's tonnes of misreporting going on, Knox's story changed multiple times, was there actually a break in? I don't have an actual view as to whether she was involved or not but she certainly has done herself few favours if she is not.
A delay in collection also is not all that problematic in itself; DNA evidence is routinely used worldwide for items a lot older than that. The bra clasp was not moved from Meredith's room; how did Sollecito's dna get there at all? The only other sample of his DNA was on a cigarette butt in the kitchen. It's just odd, and doesn't seem to add up from any angle, guilty or innocent.
The low amount of defensive wounds also indicates it was likely that meredith was restrained while the killing was going on... not for sure that it was Knox and co, but interesting nonetheless.
In addition, this 'satanic ritual' crap that keeps coming up is not mentioned in court reports; it was first claimed by Sollecito's defence lawyers, and the prosecutor and judge both deny this being made as an allegation. The judge's conviction report makes zero mention of it and as such it was not taken into account when convicting.
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I would like to her physic evaluation if one has ever been carried out, not saying that any conclusion drawn from it points to being guilty or not guilty but at the very least it could give an indication of her ability to lie.
Check these facts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbgZZ5TjBNU
also i think Amanda is going to go down the sympathy vote. Check this recent interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IRB-abvP90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbgZZ5TjBNU
also i think Amanda is going to go down the sympathy vote. Check this recent interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IRB-abvP90
Juries are made up of humans. Humans are fallible and susceptible to emotional manipulation.
Is there ever a recorded incident of Italian jury being presented with all of the evidence and coming to a reasoned decision?
Quite, I'm trying to play devil's advocate and make some of the points that were made to me when I was questioning a couple of decisions made by British juries (although I wasn't really questioning their actual decision, more how they arrived at it).
Is there ever a recorded incident of Italian jury being presented with all of the evidence and coming to a reasoned decision?
Possibly not..
Is their legal system really that different to ours? I know very little about the case really, it just seems odd that in threads like the one about Mark Duggan, anyone who questioned the jury's decision was accused of being led by the media and that their opinion was uninformed and basically worthless in comparison to that of a member of the jury.Guess we really distrust Italians.
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Those were the exact quotes from David Learmount and Frank Taylor the lead investigator.
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