AMD Bulldozer Finally!

paradisiac · 18 Jun 2011 at 18:52

gareth170 said:
on the fly overclocking.

also has i said people can buy which ever they want. ether way there isn't a wrong way.

i agree totally, but AMD are not giving people a great deal of choice. i had started saving for BD, and i for one, know that if i hang on for BD then chances are i would have spend the money on something else as im not great at saving. so for me, sandybridge is the only way to go.
i just wish AMD could give something concrete about BD and give some people that have either bought a AM3+ mobo or are looking into it something to make them feel its the right choice. im sure AM3+ motherboard sales must have been really hurt by AMD delaying launch.

RizlaKing · 18 Jun 2011 at 18:55

Anyone who is overly influenced on buying by forums rather then their own needs and budget has no place buying components and would be better off going to pc world (cannot believe i said that). There is no such thing as right or wrong in buying as everyone is different and everyone's needs are jst as individual so why argue about it.

As far as BD goes i do think it has been badly handled by AMD and i have put off my upgrade now till later in the year. Not just because BD is yet again late to the party but SB-E will be out and that is one more option i like options

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Each to their own and sod the rest of the world thats the way i see it

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Mario · 18 Jun 2011 at 18:58

linaaslt said:
Go on bouy show me those benches where BD is barely faster than Phenom2, oh you just can't find them, surprise suprise, we still got no info about BD performance, and you're talking this crap. Good luck!
Go and troll somewhere els....

Dear,some ppl just so sad

So basically you cant admit that amd failed with they bobdozzer?
The one troll i see here is you,seems other ppl cant talk badly,or at least have some funny dig,about amd and they failed bobdozzer,and they should prise amd for promised and delayed 4 times so called Sandy killer?
Oh,btw,your name looks familiar..i am sure you writing same bs in some forums (strongly amd biased) called technews....(should be called amdnews LOL)

Final8y · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:00

paradisiac said:
i agree totally, but AMD are not giving people a great deal of choice. i had started saving for BD, and i for one, know that if i hang on for BD then chances are i would have spend the money on something else as im not great at saving. so for me, sandybridge is the only way to go.
i just wish AMD could give something concrete about BD and give some people that have either bought a AM3+ mobo or are looking into it something to make them feel its the right choice. im sure AM3+ motherboard sales must have been really hurt by AMD delaying launch.

The people who have bought a AM3+ have already made there minds up & there is no such things as giving something concrete to them to make them feel its the right choice because all companies and marketing will try to give people that impression no matter what.

clocka · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:00

Mario said:
The one troll i see here is you,seems other ppl cant talk badly

pun intended? Bulldozer will be a success as it will be faster than the phenoms which are already acceptable to the average user and it includes usb3/sata6gbps. They will price the cpu's well as amd always do so you'll get a good bang for buck. I highly doubt they will compete with sandy bridge in power especially for x264 and other highly multithreaded things but not everyone needs the fastest cpu in the world, most people are happy with a cpu that is just fast and of a good price.

I'm just happy intel with have competition and will finally have to drop the prices of their quadcore cpu's which have always been really expensive, even the SKT775 ones. Cheap powerful quadcores will be a reality in 3 months once bulldozer is out and intel drops their prices.

davieg · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:02

WTF is Bobdozzer? AMDs new confused as hell APU based on Bobcat and Bulldozer?
Am just wondering myself where these accurate benchies you have so obviously seen are hosted to declare it a failure before its even been put in its can yet?

mjones1 · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:03

gareth170 said:
also has i said people can buy which ever they want. ether way there isn't a wrong way.

some people on these forums make people feel bad just because they go for amd,

+1
Its happening far too often now, I will be buying my Gigabyte 990fx ud3 next week regardless of what people say about bulldozer I have faith in it.

Final8y · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:05

davieg said:
WTF is Bobdozzer? AMDs new confused as hell APU based on Bobcat and Bulldozer?
Am just wondering myself where these accurate benchies you have so obviously seen are hosted to declare it a failure before its even been put in its can yet?

Yes there is a huge contradiction because there is no solid info for or against.

gurusan · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:07

gareth170 said:
on the fly overclocking.

Since when can you not do that on intel boards? ASUS, MSI, and Gigabyte all have great on the fly clocking utilities. Honestly, when's the last time you've played with an Intel setup? It costs the same or less, is faster by loads, and is much easier to clock IMO in pretty every respect.

And why do I give people crap who have bought AMD? Because they could have more for their money...simple as that.

gurusan · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:09

RizlaKing said:
Anyone who is overly influenced on buying by forums rather then their own needs and budget has no place buying components and would be better off going to pc world (cannot believe i said that). There is no such thing as right or wrong in buying as everyone is different and everyone's needs are jst as individual so why argue about it.

Yes there is such thing as right or wrong buying. What consumer doesn't want the best for their money? Yet people stupidly put "faith" into computer hardware!!! seriously, wtf.

mjones1 · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:17

gurusan said:
Yes there is such thing as right or wrong buying. What consumer doesn't want the best for their money? Yet people stupidly put "faith" into computer hardware!!! seriously, wtf.

Not everyone is in the same position as you I would happily settle for a cheaper product with a little less performance and has a decent upgrade path compared to Intel.

davieg · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:19

gurusan said:
Yes there is such thing as right or wrong buying. What consumer doesn't want the best for their money? Yet people stupidly put "faith" into computer hardware!!! seriously, wtf.

And what is right in your mind, doesn't necessarily mean its right for someone else. In my case its right for me to wait another 2 months to see how the land lies (be it a 2600K,2700K or a 8130-P), as that's when I've figured out will be the latest I can do my next upgrade for personal reasons. Does that make me wrong for not wanting to copy your purchasing habits? If the price of a 2700K system is comparable to your 2500K in 2 months time (thats hypothetical pricing btw am not suggesting that that will be the price by a long shot), does that make you stupid for buying at the time you did. The answer would be of course no if it suited your personal needs.

gareth170 · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:20

gurusan said:
Since when can you not do that on intel boards? ASUS, MSI, and Gigabyte all have great on the fly clocking utilities. Honestly, when's the last time you've played with an Intel setup? It costs the same or less, is faster by loads, and is much easier to clock IMO in pretty every respect.

And why do I give people crap who have bought AMD? Because they could have more for their money...simple as that.

intel's utilities has less control than amd overdrive over voltages settings, rams settings/voltages, chipset voltages ect.

i have a friend with a i5 system which i've played with but the oc utility is more basic then amd overdrive

gurusan · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:20

mjones1 said:
Not everyone is in the same position as you I would happily settle for a cheaper product with a little less performance and has a decent upgrade path compared to Intel.

Intel is not more expensive than AMD, that really just is a falsehood. I can't see a single reason to buy AMD right now.

gareth170 said:
intel's utilities has less control than amd overdrive over voltages settings, rams settings/voltages, chipset voltages ect.

i have a friend with a i5 system which i've played with but the oc utility is more basic then amd overdrive

No they really don't. Check out ASUS TurboV Evo.

Also, I'm willing to bet his "more basic" utility clocked the system a lot higher than the AMD system...

davieg · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:26

gurusan said:
Intel is not more expensive than AMD, that really just is a falsehood. I can't see a single reason to buy AMD right now.

http://sites.amd.com/us/fusion/apu/Pages/fusion.aspx, not bad for the mobile market and low performance end by the looks of it.

mjones1 · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:27

gurusan said:
Intel is not more expensive than AMD, that really just is a falsehood. I can't see a single reason to buy AMD right now.

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I mean for Bulldozer & having a upgrade path is a huge plus for me compared to Intel's short lived sockets..

Your heart is set on Intel so no point in continuing to reason with you.

gurusan · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:27

Sorry, i should have rephrased....when building a desktop enthusiast system there's no reason to pick AMD.

If I were buying a low power or mobile system I'd definitely look at Llano.

gurusan · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:30

mjones1 said:
I mean for Bulldozer & having a upgrade path is a huge plus for me compared to Intel's short lived sockets..

Your heart is set on Intel so no point in continuing to reason with you.

Intel does not have short lived sockets. In fact they've been criticized in the past for staying with a socket too long! Only recently have they done weird shenanigans with 1156/1155. I mean Z68 already supports Ivy Bridge....

And no, my heart is not set on Intel, in fact I've probably owned more AMD systems than most people in this thread.

RizlaKing · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:31

Not everyone is an enthusiast though and many people are looking for the best pc for their budget and very modest needs seriously this part of the forums is getting as partisan as the gfx card part and it's sad.

Amd or intel if you make the choice based on your needs and budget then it isn't wrong for that individual it's not that hard to understand.

davieg · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:32

gurusan said:
Sorry, i should have rephrased....when building a desktop enthusiast system there's no reason to pick AMD.

If I were buying a low power or mobile system I'd definitely look at Llano.

The thing is you have come into a thread saying this discussing a CPU that isnt even released yet, and that nobody has really seen an accurate reflection of performance. Fair enough to say what you said in a thread that was about what should I buy now this instance, but it isnt. Its about an unreleased CPU So you nor I have no real clue, what were going on about.
If your so anti AMD maybe its wise to avoid threads that are discussing future products, and stick to commenting on current line ups, then I dont think I would have much of a disagreement with you.