AMD Bulldozer Finally!

gurusan · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:33

And my argument is that based on pretty much anyone's needs AMD is silly at this point in time.

gurusan · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:34

davieg said:
The thing is you have come into a thread saying this discussing a CPU that isnt even released yet, and that nobody has really seen an accurate reflection of performance. Fair enough to say what you said in a thread that was about what should I buy now this instance, but it isnt. Its about an unreleased CPU So you nor I have no real clue, what were going on about.
If your so anti AMD maybe its wise to avoid threads that are discussing future products, and stick to commenting on current line ups, then I dont think I would have much of a disagreement with you.

As I've said, I'm happy to eat my words when I'm proven wrong. And I'm not anti-AMD. I'm anti-people putting "faith" in companies when they could be getting better for cheaper....and NOW. Remember Bulldozer was supposed to be released in 2009.

Final8y · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:36

gurusan said:
Since when can you not do that on intel boards? ASUS, MSI, and Gigabyte all have great on the fly clocking utilities. Honestly, when's the last time you've played with an Intel setup? It costs the same or less, is faster by loads, and is much easier to clock IMO in pretty every respect.

And why do I give people crap who have bought AMD? Because they could have more for their money...simple as that.

You can inform people but its ultimately there own choice & repeating badgering serves no use.

Also the too many of the low & mid end SB mobos have single 16x PCIE or drop down to dual 8x, i also only use unlocked multi CPUs so AMD offers me the cheaper option.

davieg · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:39

gurusan said:
As I've said, I'm happy to eat my words when I'm proven wrong. And I'm not anti-AMD. I'm anti-people putting "faith" in companies when they could be getting better for cheaper....and NOW. Remember Bulldozer was supposed to be released in 2009.

And I'll say it once more, this thread isnt about what we can buy now this instance, this isnt a spec me thread, its a thread about as yet an unreleased product.
If I buy now and in 2 months (which is my personal deadline) and can get better for cheaper from AMD (as an example) will you be prepared to refund me the price of the full setup I bought earlier than I needed to?

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:47

panyan said:
how are the h61 boards? you dont hear much about them on the forum

I don't know, mine arrived DOA

gareth170 · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:49

@gurusan this is my point , when people say they are happy with what they bought or want to buy , and then people like you make them feel bad by saying "you should have gone with intel, they faster, ect", i know u trying to help but if the person is happy with what they bought or want to buy , i don't see a problem.

i for one not bothered that intel is faster or slightly faster... im happy with what i choose/have, same goes for other people

paradisiac · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:51

ok, well trying to get back on topic and away from what people should or shouldnt do with their cash. what do we know about a possible lineup of BD chips, will there be a nice selection of budget, gaming, video encoding chips or do we really no nothing at the moment?

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:53

mjones1 said:
I mean for Bulldozer & having a upgrade path is a huge plus for me compared to Intel's short lived sockets..

Your heart is set on Intel so no point in continuing to reason with you.

AM3+ will be shortlived as hell as AMD are going LGA.
And AMD don't even offer official support for AM3 on Bulldozer.. That's a lot worse than Intels currently faster options, and 1155 has support for Ivy!

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:54

paradisiac said:
ok, well trying to get back on topic and away from what people should or shouldnt do with their cash. what do we know about a possible lineup of BD chips, will there be a nice selection of budget, gaming, video encoding chips or do we really no nothing at the moment?

quad,hex,octo, higher octo.
Then a refresh.
But the refresh was meant to be Q3 but BD got delayed till Q3.. So it's anyones guess.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 18 Jun 2011 at 19:56

Martini1991 said:
That's a lot worse than Intels currently faster options, and 1155 has support for Ivy!

Whether any of the H61,H67,P67 or Z68 motherboards will actually work with Ivy Bridge is another question. With socket 775 the same thing happened even though the socket was the same.

I hope Ivy Bridge does work as it means I have an upgrade path with my Gigabyte GA-H67N-USB3-B3.

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2011 at 20:02

I hope it'll work too on P67 boards.
But still, the AMD maintaining socket life longer is a stupidly crap reason.

It's too hard to explain. The best socket they released IMO was AM2+, which can support every current AMD CPU. (Minus Llano)

AM3 was pointless given Phenom II's have DDR2 memory controllers, and AMD abolished official Bulldozer support on it.

gareth170 · 18 Jun 2011 at 20:04

Martini1991 said:
AM3+ will be shortlived as hell as AMD are going LGA.

where u get that from?

also i think that'll be in 2013

gurusan · 18 Jun 2011 at 20:10

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Whether any of the H61,H67,P67 or Z68 motherboards will actually work with Ivy Bridge is another question. With socket 775 the same thing happened even though the socket was the same.

I hope Ivy Bridge does work as it means I have an upgrade path with my Gigabyte GA-H67N-USB3-B3.

No, we know Ivy works with Z68, AFAIK not for P67/H67 though

gurusan · 18 Jun 2011 at 20:10

gareth170 said:
i for one not bothered that intel is faster or slightly faster... im happy with what i choose/have, same goes for other people

Then why be an enthusiast at all?

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2011 at 20:13

gurusan said:
No, we know Ivy works with Z68, AFAIK not for P67/H67 though

P67's barely different to Z68, I for one will be peeved if it doesn't work.

gareth170 said:
where u get that from?

also i think that'll be in 2013

It's common knowledge.
PGA's time has come.
BD rev 2 is touted next year.

It's agena and deneb all over again.

gurusan · 18 Jun 2011 at 20:14

I'll be peeved too but that's all I've seen so far...especially as I have a p67 board. If I can run ivy bridge I'll be stoked.

davieg · 18 Jun 2011 at 20:17

gurusan said:
Then why be an enthusiast at all?

Jeez why are you trying to pick holes, look at the definition of enthusiast

"a person who is very interested in and involved with a particular subject or activity"

Does that say must have the quickest, fastest, most expensive?

gareth170 · 18 Jun 2011 at 20:19

Martini1991 said:
It's common knowledge.
PGA's time has come.
BD rev 2 is touted next year.

It's agena and deneb all over again.

so no proof?

so again no point saying AM3+ will be shortlived, till proof

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 18 Jun 2011 at 20:20

Can we keep this thread back on AMD processors please, especially Bulldozer??!!

Sockets are more of a discussion to be had in the motherboards section.

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2011 at 20:22

gurusan said:
I'll be peeved too but that's all I've seen so far...especially as I have a p67 board. If I can run ivy bridge I'll be stoked.

Maximus IV Extreme here.

gareth170 said:
so no proof?

so again no point saying AM3+ will be shortlived, till proof

AMD were toying with LGA in 2005.

Note the line up.