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AMD demonstrates Ryzen 9 5900X prototype with 3D V-Cache stack chiplet design

g67575 said:
Lol, wait for a full announcement
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So that's your response? "lol"? There's nothing humorous about what I posted. Are you honestly saying that AMD's Head of Technical Marketing confirming a new desktop platform in 2022 is not enough to support a launch next year?

g67575 said:
...there's hardly a desperate need to release Zen 4 desktop CPUs next year. We haven't even seen the V-Cache CPUs yet, bit early to judge.
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15% performance increase for stacked v cache Zen 3 does not overcome the performance deficit to Alder Lake in the mid and low end. Of course there's a desperate need to release Zen 4 desktop next year. Jesus wept man, use your damn brain.
, there's hardly a desperate need to release Zen 4 desktop CPUs next year. We haven't even seen the V-Cache CPUs yet, bit early to judge.

g67575 said:
I think the top model will be about on par with Intel's top Alder Lake CPU.
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So you're claiming AMD will see a performance regression? 5950X and 12900K are already on par with each other, v cache refresh will just walk away. It's the mid range that AMD need to resolve, and v cache alone won't do that.

g67575 said:
Zen 2 was released in 2019, Zen 3 in 2020.
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And Zen 2 refresh was released in 2020, the same year as Zen 3. Or are you changing the goalposts because you were proven wrong?



Why would I be upset if Zen 4 releases in 2023? It would be idiotic for AMD to do so, but I have no stake in the fight.

But why are you deflecting the argument that Zen 4 won't be 2023 by insinuating some kind of emotional investment? It's tricky to maintain civility when one side of the conversation is contributing nonsense and ignoring counterpoints.
 
g67575 said:
Lol, wait for a full announcement, there's hardly a desperate need to release Zen 4 desktop CPUs next year. We haven't even seen the V-Cache CPUs yet, bit early to judge.

I think the top model will be about on par with Intel's top Alder Lake CPU.

Zen 2 was released in 2019, Zen 3 in 2020.
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LePhuron literally killed all your theories with the facts, the only thing you can do is to go sleep for 1 week and recover, and accept that you don't know nothing. If you want to troll, then at least be a good troll.
 
Well, the level of debate is now in the toilet. Presumably the only thing I've said you don't like is that Zen 4 desktop CPUs could release in 2023.
 
g67575 said:
Well, the level of debate is now in the toilet. Presumably the only thing I've said you don't like is that Zen 4 desktop CPUs could release in 2023.
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That's your fault, if you want healthy conversation then act like that. Meteor Lake could release in 2026, did you forgot Intel 10nm plans 6-7 years ago? AMD will release Zen 4 when needed, for example poor sales result. Currently Zen 3 is dominating in sales in every major IT retailer, so no need to rush with 3d v-cache. Every company have Finance and sale deparment that analyze market, sales etc so you don't have to worry about AMD. It all depends on Intel wheter they will release competetive product or not so AMD will have to act on that.
 
All I said is that AMD might release Zen 4 desktop in Q1 2023, or maybe Q2. AMD might not have set a date for desktop CPUs, because they don't know yet if it will be possible to launch in 2022. Surely, you can at least entertain that possibility?

Why take it so seriously?

Wikipedia and Wikichip have not set release dates for Zen 4 desktop CPUs, even though we know they are coming. Is it because they are 'not smart'?

Wikipedia and Hardware Unboxed are referring to the V-Cache CPUs as 'Zen 3D'. Link here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtYmERtzR1M&t=466s

Assuming Zen 3D (the name given on Wikipedia) is considered a new generation of Ryzen CPUs, it should be around for about a year. Each Zen generation so far has been around for about a year, before a new generation was released:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_(microarchitecture)#First_generation
 
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Isn't TSMCs 3nm production delayed till Q4 2022 which would mean AMDs Zen 4 on 5nm could end up being delayed till 2023 as they can't move to 5nm until Apple vacate?
 
Joxeon said:
Isn't TSMCs 3nm production delayed till Q4 2022 which would mean AMDs Zen 4 on 5nm could end up being delayed till 2023 as they can't move to 5nm until Apple vacate?
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Yes, it's delayed by a good amount of time, but wafers are forward sold, so AMD will already have their space booked for the 5nm requirements. Obviously the 3nm shift could then be delayed for AMD if they can't secure enough volume for that node moving forward.
 
Why does it matter if Zen 4 desktop releases 3-6 months later than some thought? To me, it makes no difference if it releases in the 1st half of 2023.

I'll buy which ever performs better in games /real world tasks, although I think Zen4 might have an advantage on core count over Meteor Lake. Probably roughly similar in terms of IPC, since Intel is already ahead with Golden Cove cores.
 
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That's pretty much it, other than the real (significant) CPU upgrades should be available in 2023. Meteor Lake was already delayed a year (leaving a void I'm not sure Intel can fill, other than perhaps a Golden Cove refresh) and Intel have Meteor Lake prototypes already. So, 2023 seems achievable. It seems like Zen4 is a bit ahead though, as AMD has already confirmed server CPUs for 2022, although some Zen4 products won't release until 2023 (with more details to come).
 
g67575 said:
That's pretty much it, other than the real (significant) CPU upgrades should be available in 2023. Meteor Lake was already delayed a year (leaving a void I'm not sure Intel can fill) and Intel have Meteor Lake prototypes already. So, 2023 seems achievable. It seems like Zen4 is a bit ahead though, as AMD has already confirmed server CPUs for 2022, although some Zen4 products won't release until 2023 (with more details to come).
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it all depends on whether intel will release a competitive product, and AMD sales of previous products starts to suffer.
 
g67575 said:
...leaving a void I'm not sure Intel can fill, other than perhaps a Golden Cove refresh...
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Yeah, it's called Rocket Lake which you seem to refuse to believe exists in your other thread, despite numerous people literally showing you documentation which proves the existence of Rocket Lake.
g67575 said:
...the real (significant) CPU upgrades should be available in 2023
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Unless TMSC become physically incapable of producing 5nm products, there's no reason AMD's release schedule will extend to 2 1/2 years. Ryzen desktop has always been about 18 month release schedule for the new arch. That would put Zen 4-based Ryzen Q2 next year. That's not happening now, and all rumours point to Q4 next year. That makes it 2 years. Any longer than that then something's gone very wrong and AMD will risk losing their momentum.

Alder Lake has retaken the lead in all but the very top end, Zen 3 v cache will extend the lead at the top end, but will not close the gap much everywhere else. And then there's no counter to Rocket Lake as well? That doesn't look too hot.
 
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