**AMD Fiji Thread**

[ubersonic]

In my case:
Wednesday - Excitement
Thursday - HDMI 2.0
Friday - HDMI 2.0
The weekend - HDMI 2.0

And it'll still be HDMI 2.0 until I get a solid solution to the problem...

Solution 1: DP - HDMI2.0 adaptor (available soon, probably before Fury).

Solution 2: Hope one of the custom cards has a HDMI 2.0 port (likeness depends on the demand for HDMI 2.0).

At the end of the day, cards like the Fury are a niche market, 4K60 TVs are a very niche market, connecting your PC to your TV is a niche market, so this is like a niche of a niche, AMD probably decided that catering to the 1% of the 1% wasn't worth it with adaptors on the way.

 

[Bonjour]

Apparently Linus and Ryan Shrout aren't getting one either. Seems it's definitely selective...

Nice one AMD. I'm more concerned on what this means for the cards real world performance now. As should everyone be frankly.

In that case, I stand corrected. Poor show.

 

[Darujhistan]

So today we have another thing for certain folks to moan/bash AMD over. You'd hope people would have better things to do but there you go.

What was it:
Wednesday - 4gb Ram
Thursday - HDMI 2.0
Friday - Not supplying a review card.

Wonder what it'll be tomorrow or will we get a rest over the weekend...

If the Nano is as advertised even the NV trolls will struggle to find fault.

 

[Harlequin]

hbtw heard this last week - AMD are basically giving review samples to vloggers and independants this time around - not the main sites ; so official reviews will be on you tube etc

 

[elmarko]

To be honest, 90% of review are useless for me anyway most of the time.

Why on earth they can't compare all graphics cards @ STOCK- VS all graphics cards at max average stable overclock at with AIR VS all graphics cards @ max average stable overclock in WATER.

Really that's what matters for most enthusiasts, stock performance isn't the end all when some cards can only push 5% & others closer to 20+% from over-clocking.

 

[Breeze]

If the Nano is as advertised even the NV trolls will struggle to find fault.

This is the GC forum you're talking about.

 

[flopper]

4GB is not a limit for single GPUs at 4K. Even a TX or 980Ti have to compromise on graphics settings to get playable FPS. Once you drop settings such as MSAA or DoF etc, your VRAM usage drops significantly.

I have seen graphs showing GTA V using 6GB of VRAM at 4K, but they neglect to show the FPS is unplayable anyway at all max settings and MSAA. Dropping to settings to achieve playable settings bring VRAM usage well bellow 4GB.

The main issue atm with 4K.
I am happy when I see 100+ fps and rather 120+.
You can tank the TitanX in 1080p also.
4k atm is balance between settings and cards to achieve proper fps.

I just say that Fury offers a better Minfps what I can conclude but we find out soon.

 

[Geck0]

You are being a little defensive there, people seemed to already be defending AMD over this. What would have happen if nVidia withheld review samples of the 980ti to websites who where critical over the 970 fiasco ? A massive **** storm.

AMD are just drawing negative attention to them self, If they are so proud of there killer product (and I relay hope it is great) you want it in as many hands as possible INCLUDING people who where negative (it seems to be the one video AMD are getting annoyed about) to prove the wrong.

If Nvidia withheld subsequent review samples from sites that were critical about an obvious discrepancy in tech specs as advertised then Nvidia would have had few reviews. It's not the same situation at all.

What we are seeing here is PC tech sites clickbaiting like all hell to get revenue no matter about fact then crying when an OEM tells them that they aren't getting a review sample. WTFteck (sp) isn't getting one either because it's a clickbait rumor site that will post whatever gets ad revenue.

There is a line that has been drawn on this release and Kitguru apparently crossed it, which should be a lesson to them. I'm not defensive at all, simply commenting that if you run your mouth there are consequences in business and in real life.

 

[Boomstick777]

Apparently Linus and Ryan Shrout aren't getting one either...

That's fantastic if true. As Those two were crying publicly over twitter over not receiving Fiji before AMD had even announced them at their E3 event.

The moral of the story, don't be a winy cry baby publicly if you want to then receive things from the people / company that your crying and whining about.

A good lesson for all.

Like a boss AMD

 

[Nexus18]

hbtw heard this last week - AMD are basically giving review samples to vloggers and independants this time around - not the main sites ; so official reviews will be on you tube etc

In that case.... where do I sign up!?

 

[LambChop]

Apparently Linus and Ryan Shrout aren't getting one either. Seems it's definitely selective...

Nice one AMD. I'm more concerned on what this means for the cards real world performance now. As should everyone be frankly.

That was because they were questioning why AMD would not release cards early for review.

 

[LambChop]

That's fantastic if true. As Those two were crying publicly over twitter over not receiving Fiji before AMD had even announced them at their E3 event.

The moral of the story, don't be a winy cry baby publicly if you want to then receive things from the people / company that your crying and whining about.

A good lesson for all.

Like a boss AMD

Boom, as much as I like you and your posts bud, thats still a very amature thing for AMD to do. Yes its up to them who they give cards to but you have to ask why have Linus/KG spoken out when generally it never seem to happen. AMD have done things differently.

 

[Greebo]

4GB is not a limit for single GPUs at 4K. Even a TX or 980Ti have to compromise on graphics settings to get playable FPS. Once you drop settings such as MSAA or DoF etc, your VRAM usage drops significantly.

I have seen graphs showing GTA V using 6GB of VRAM at 4K, but they neglect to show the FPS is unplayable anyway at all max settings and MSAA. Dropping to settings to achieve playable settings bring VRAM usage well bellow 4GB.

You are missing the point. My average fps of 52 in the benchmark is more than enough for the game to be playable (although one dip to 20 fps)

However, i dont have enough vram in game for this to be playable. The fps int he game no way compares to the benchmark. Every 2 seconds the fps drops to about 4 fps and then back up to 60 to 70.

Im sure if i have 6 or 8gb ram then the game would be very playable with 52 fps average.

Hence my concern but we will wait and see.

 

[Mei]

Solution 1: DP - HDMI2.0 adaptor (available soon, probably before Fury).

Solution 2: Hope one of the custom cards has a HDMI 2.0 port (likeness depends on the demand for HDMI 2.0).

At the end of the day, cards like the Fury are a niche market, 4K60 TVs are a very niche market, connecting your PC to your TV is a niche market, so this is like a niche of a niche, AMD probably decided that catering to the 1% of the 1% wasn't worth it with adaptors on the way.

i duno why ppl keep saying gaming on tv is niche its really not and its about to get a lot bigger over the next couple of years

you know how many tv's will be sold over the next year?
monitors is the niche!

and saying probably there will be be support isnt good enough, AMD need to make a response to this sometime...

 

[Boomstick777]

That was because they were questioning why AMD would not release cards early for review.

Yeah they wanted them before AMD and even announced them at their own E3 event.

I'm sure Sony and Microsoft do the same thing, sending of brand new products to people like Ryan Shrout equivalent before they even publicly announce them

I mean really how entitled and unprofessional can you get, these guys crying over twitter. Slating AMD and now still expecting samples.

AMD are doing the right thing, by denying crying whiny men children.

 

[LambChop]

Yeah they wanted them before AMD and even announced them at their own E3 event.

I'm sure Sony and Microsoft do the same thing, sending of brand new products to people like Ryan Shrout equivalent before they even publicly announce them

I mean really how entitled and unprofessional can you get, these guys crying over twitter. Slating AMD and now still expecting samples.

AMD are doing the right thing, by denying crying whiny men children.

Yeah but this is not AMD's first card launch. For them to speak out regardless of the circumstances something has changed. So if AMD gave them cards really early in the past and always have done (as they have never spoken out till now) then why change it for this release ? Are they hiding something ?

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

So today we have another thing for certain folks to moan/bash AMD over. You'd hope people would have better things to do but there you go.

What was it:
Wednesday - 4gb Ram
Thursday - HDMI 2.0
Friday - Not supplying a review card.

Wonder what it'll be tomorrow or will we get a rest over the weekend...

For everyone saying something negative there's someone else saying something positive. Can't argue against balance surely?
Maybe if everyone stopped saying positive things people would stop saying negative things?

^^ Yeah be good to get user experience for that reason.

I'm going to compare Titan X VS Fury X in GTA V. Wolfenstein games and Shadow of Mordor as they are the known Vram hoggers. If their are any more post them here so I can try them.

These are the ones AMDMatt listed when AMD released the 8GB 290X:
Battlefield 4 (Mantle)
Dragon Age (Mantle)
Thief (Mantle)
Hitman Absolution (DX)
Crysis 3 (DX)
Shadow Of Mordor (DX)
COD Advanced Warfare (DX)
Watchdogs (DX)
Wolfenstein (DX)

Of course really we also need to run a 4GB 290(X) (or possibly 980) in these to confirm you can recreate the issues AMDMatt had when he produced this list. Saying the Fury X doesn't have issues in these games and therefore HBM solves anything only proves that if a 4GB card does still have issues, otherwise there may have been game patches (or drivers) that helped instead.

 

[flopper]

Yeah they wanted them before AMD and even announced them at their own E3 event.

I'm sure Sony and Microsoft do the same thing, sending of brand new products to people like Ryan Shrout equivalent before they even publicly announce them

I mean really how entitled and unprofessional can you get, these guys crying over twitter. Slating AMD and now still expecting samples.

AMD are doing the right thing, by denying crying whiny men children.

5 days to go for Gibbo and 8pac dance

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

If the Nano is as advertised even the NV trolls will struggle to find fault.

I don't think you give them enough credit.
There will be trolls on both sides that will find fault with either sides products regardless of how good they are.

 

[razorpakk]

To be honest, 90% of review are useless for me anyway most of the time.

Why on earth they can't compare all graphics cards @ STOCK- VS all graphics cards at max average stable overclock at with AIR VS all graphics cards @ max average stable overclock in WATER.

Really that's what matters for most enthusiasts, stock performance isn't the end all when some cards can only push 5% & others closer to 20+% from over-clocking.

First of all every single card overclocks differently (the one page about overclocking you get on the usual review should be fine). Putting cards under water would be impossibile (for time and resources) for the majority of outlets.

To be honest I prefer reviews with everything @ stock, you still get the baseline to realize how differently they perform.

That's fantastic if true. As Those two were crying publicly over twitter over not receiving Fiji before AMD had even announced them at their E3 event.

The moral of the story, don't be a winy cry baby publicly if you want to then receive things from the people / company that your crying and whining about.

A good lesson for all.

Like a boss AMD

Ryan makes some of the most detailed reveiws around and Linus has a huge following on youtube, giving the type of channel. Don't get how you can consider this a good move by AMD, you must really love them!