I guess I don't need the 550 if I can't name you a feature that I want?
I'm more interested in future proofing I think.
Flashing is easy?
I guess I don't need the 550 if I can't name you a feature that I want?
I'm more interested in future proofing I think.
Flashing is easy?
Don
It's not ideal, as Ryzen ideally wants around 3200 or 3600 memory, but it will work fine.
Guides such as the below show the impact of slower vs faster memory
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3508-ryzen-3000-memory-benchmark-best-ram-fclk-uclock-mclock
Thanks, I hoped it would work OK despite running slightly slower. Interesting seeing the difference it makes.
I wouldn't have planned it that way but because my old PC mobo died I want to re-use as much of my current kit (DDR4 Memory, SATA SSD/HDD, PSU, GPU) as possible to keep costs down. As you can probably tell from the memory speeds my old PC was 5 years old so don't really want to spend big money repairing it!
I could probably buy something slightly cheaper with equivalent performance to my old PC but the Ryzen 3600 sounds epic for ~£150. I also like the future proofing and upgrade path which the B550 motherboard appears to provide since they have PCI-E 4 for fast M2 drives and will support 4000 series CPU's if I ever want to drop in a faster 8+ core model down the line.
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Don
Seems like an ideal option.
Worst case then further down the line you upgrade the memory as well (e.g. if you see a good deal etc)
Worst case then further down the line you upgrade the memory as well (e.g. if you see a good deal etc)
Good link here comparing VRM quality between the B550m Mortar and the best B450 boards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfD_KuTVfkc
It looks like even though there will be support for the next gen Ryzen processors for B450 as they struggle to cope with a stock 3900x let alone a overclocked one I think they will struggle. Seems the B550 boards out perform the cheaper X570 boards VRM wise.
It looks like even though there will be support for the next gen Ryzen processors for B450 as they struggle to cope with a stock 3900x let alone a overclocked one I think they will struggle. Seems the B550 boards out perform the cheaper X570 boards VRM wise.
B450 looks ok to me so long as it's in a case with fans which most people go with and matches the £700 X570 Aorus extreme in workloads.
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Caporegime
He on purpose ignored the B450 Mortar costing £95,and the B550 Mag Mortar costing nearly £160 for the non-Wifi variant. He then on purpose uses one of the most expensive B450 motherboards(B450 Gaming Pro Carbon),which is full ATX and has Wifi. Then makes excuses for the B550 pricing being fair,as it "only" costs a few quid more. Yet,before he was saying the very same B450 motherboards would be fine with a Ryzen 7 2700X,which has similar power consumption to the Ryzen 9 3900X!
Techspot is the website for Hardware Unboxed.
Now all of a sudden a B450 can't run a Ryzen 9 3900X fine?
Why did he compare like for like,ie,ATX for ATX,instead of using the ATX B550 motherboards??
The reason is because the B550 Tomahawk costs £180,and the equivalent B550 Gaming Pro Carbon is £215.
@Joxeon Your video links back to the Ryzen 7 2700X testing too. So now the B450 motherboards have problems??
The Ryzen 9 3950X consumes more power than a Ryzen 9 3900X but the new "tweaked" Ryzen 9 3900X results seem to be all of a sudden more demanding!
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Didn't he explain that the old tests were different and less stressing at the beginning? So he had to re-test the B450 boards to the same level as the B550 and X570 to compare? I don't see any issue with his approach. He explained everything really well.
Caporegime
He literally tested the Ryzen 9 3950X last year after the X570 reviews he did. You are talking 4 months after the X570 was released. To put it in context,his B450 and a Ryzen 9 3950X in a high airflow case,was around 65C,and with low airflow,around 85C. This was under Blender which uses all the cores. Now he is saying the same motherboard with a lesser Ryzen 9 3900X with PBO,is over 20C hotter using a similar high airflow setup.
He used Blender for years,and it was fine,and many bought B450 motherboards due to such reviews. Now he has conveniently "changed" his testing,to try and push that a Ryzen 9 3900 can't run in a B450 motherboard.
Yet,his own reviews were saying a B450 was fine with even a Ryzen 9 3950X. Also conveniently is using the 2nd most expensive B450 motherboard(there was the Asus Strix B450 which cost more and had a better VRM). He keeps lying that the B550 only costs a bit more than a B450,then warps the comparison in favour of the B550 motherboards.
He also forgets to talk about the B450 Tomahawk price,or the fact the B450 Pro Carbon is a full sized motherboard with Wifi. The equivalent B550 Tomahawk is £190....not sub £100 which the B450 version was. As normal most of the reviewers,just allow this stealth inflation to pass. No **** Sherlock,the B550 is better,it costs much more.
So if he was saying B450 was fine for ages,and now its not OK,I can't trust any of his recommedations.
I don't know what planet he is on(especially as Australia is very expensive for new hardware - look at Tech YES City),but there is a £70~£80 premium of the B550 Mag Mortar over the B450 one. That is almost the difference between a Ryzen 5 3600 and a Ryzen 7 3700X,or RX5600XT and a GTX1660/RX590.
So what happens when the B650 comes out? So if they add a few extra features,a better VRM,etc should the B650 Tomahawk be another £70 more?? So £260?? Instant 10/10. This is almost Apple like level,maybe worse in some ways.
Just look at some of the £100 B550 motherboards....they only have two RAM slots. You need to spend over £100 just to get a lowish end B550 with 4 RAM slots. Its bad enough the OEM rebadged B450,ie,the B550A seems to run PCI-E 4.0 fine,so even that feature I am rather dubious about.
Wait,until B450 stocks run out,we are in for a treat with the A520 if it stays locked. You would think with AM4 CPUs being that much more efficient,they wouldn't need such expensive motherboards,especially as AMD hardly gains anything from overclocking. It makes me wonder whether Zen3 is going to be a power hog.
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I think it's because in the case airflow test he said he has a 360mm rad in the front of the case which will not only restrict the airflow in somewhat but it also means warm air will be being pumped into the case.
Caporegime
So he basically made a system with rubbish airflow characteristics.
So the review should be ignored,then as a Ryzen 9 3900X should be fine in a decent B450 motherboard,just as their earlier reviews showed the Ryzen 9 3950X was fine under a heavy Blender workload. A couple of 120MM fans are not expensive - even my cheap temporary mini-ITX case,can take 5 of them. Also,you can easily get the Ryzen 9 3900 non-X bundles with a decent B450/X470 motherboard for under £450 now.
I was toying with the idea of a 4900x for my tomahawk but I will probably just go with a 4700x as its main use is gaming so I dont think I will need more than 8 cores and will be jumping to AM5/intel DDR5 stuff anyway in a few years.
Spend less and upgrade more often always nets more gains over buying a board and keeping it 10 years.
Caporegime
Same here,especially since AMD CPUs run at 96% of their performance out of the box,and tweaking RAM is the biggest improvement.
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Gotta be honest, as a B450 Gaming Carbon Pro owner, that Hardware Unboxed video got me worried enough about the VRM temps to open the case and check how hot the heatsink is, and it is quite warm, it has also started the train of throught the X570 Tomahawk needs to be bought.
What would you lads do? Keep the B450 or change it? It's paired with a standard 3600 for the moment, but will look to plop a 4000 series cpu in in the future.
What would you lads do? Keep the B450 or change it? It's paired with a standard 3600 for the moment, but will look to plop a 4000 series cpu in in the future.
Yeah that's why I went with some B-die ram which I have running at 3800/14 I didn't mind spending a bit extra on it as I think it will hold its price better when it comes to resale.
With AM5 and ddr5 coming in around 18 months I don't think changing board for what will be a one generation upgrade is worth it.
Just drop a 4000 series into your board and it will be fine even 16 core so long as you have a case with fans
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Caporegime
What CPU do you have??
I think you will be fine,and a warm heatsink means its working. Most VRM components are rated for upto 100C. Stick with what you have,and make sure you have some good airflow in your case,or use a horizontal air cooler which blows air onto the VRMs.
I have 3200MHZ B-die RAM,so should be OK with some tweaking if I get a Zen2 or Zen3 based CPU.