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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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It tells me a lot they are having to magnify images 200% to actually tell apart the differences on pre-release games.

It's also really weird that so many here are getting threatened by consoles,when they should be hoping consoles are good,so the next generation of GPUs will be significantly better than what we have now.

Because youtube compression is so bad that it's the only way to try and represent real world visuals and even then the differences can be seen even at normal unzoomed point of view where ps5 RT reflections look like an image without anti aliasing as the edge are daw toothed and not smooth.

It's not a hit piece, it's just a fact the PS5 games are using 1 Ray for every 4 pixels while RTX on PC games uses 1 Ray for every 1 Pixel creating noisy looking graphics

I don't think anyone feels threatened, well not PC gamers who have money to upgrade their PC anyway.
 
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That's probably easier to show over YT the difference. Take Skyrim, a slow paced game, having reflections at the quarter of the resolution in water, windows, etc., you'll definitely notice that while a 3rd person action game, probably less so. Playing GTA5 in first person view, again, will be very noticeable. On a driving game... well, even the normal stuff they do now, for me, is good enough.
Also take into account that apparently that "perfect reflection" is also done to save on performance and that was noticeable right away.

Am I'm not sure why people saw that as a hit piece, after all, that's the situation right now...
It's a hit piece because it's hypercritical of the advances of the next gen console that the current consoles do not do. Instead of exploring the differences in the games presented in a compare and contrast.
It's overtly negative towards those advances which comes off as a hidden agenda. For the games they criticized, Gran Turismo 7, what other litmus was used to compare hardware with? Absolutely none. Thus, why it's a hit piece.
 
I'm excited, is that wrong?

I am really excited too, especially for the consoles, the problem Nvidia faces is laid bare in the video that was posted above. The only way for Nvidia to protect their margins is to show clear water between their new products and the PS5/XBOX X.

Which means sadly, Nvidia and their allied media outlets debunking the AMD driven consoles by moving the goal-posts on youtube and other means.

The goal post for this console generation was to make 1080p/100fps/VRR gaming a non-issue, Virtual Reality a non-issue and 4k 'good' whilst wrapping it into an affordable, effortless package that looks stylish and does not sound like a Vulcan jet at takeoff.

There is absolutely no comparison to this console launch and the last one, we are truly about to get the generational leap that people like myself have been waiting for since the Dreamcast hit the shelves 20 years ago. And I believe that every console launch since the Dreamcast has been cpu/gpu hardware wise, a generational disaster with, a respectful nod to what Nintendo have managed to do with the latest Wii U given their budget and design constraints.

I am in the situation where for the first time i will probably spend more on console hardware than on PC GPU hardware.
 
That's probably easier to show over YT the difference. Take Skyrim, a slow paced game, having reflections at the quarter of the resolution in water, windows, etc., you'll definitely notice that while a 3rd person action game, probably less so. Playing GTA5 in first person view, again, will be very noticeable. On a driving game... well, even the normal stuff they do now, for me, is good enough.
Also take into account that apparently that "perfect reflection" is also done to save on performance and that was noticeable right away.

Am I'm not sure why people saw that as a hit piece, after all, that's the situation right now...

Because youtube compression is so bad that it's the only way to try and represent real world visuals and even then the differences can be seen even at normal unzoomed point of view where ps5 RT reflections look like an image without anti aliasing as the edge are daw toothed and not smooth.

It's not a hit piece, it's just a fact the PS5 games are using 1 Ray for every 4 pixels while RTX on PC games uses 1 Ray for every 1 Pixel creating noisy looking graphics

I don't think anyone feels threatened, well not PC gamers who have money to upgrade their PC anyway.

In the end these are alpha releases,so not final games. What is it?? 4~6 months before release?? How were RTX games on Turing GPUs,4~6 months before release,with alpha game builds and alpha drivers?? Do these consoles,run different quality and performance modes?? What was running,etc??

So on one hand,the games are still finalising image quality and performance,and secondly the uarch is not even actually available,so drivers and features are probably still be evaluated.If we used Turing as an example 4~6 months made a difference in performance.

Also,if you need to magnify images 200% that tells me the differences are not obvious without standing still and zooming into stuff,which is the same thing with tessellation. If that is the case for most of the target market,how is PC going to look "better" if people need to stand still,freeze frame the TV and start observing the image?? With PC there should no need for this as the image quality difference was obvious ,so it's really showing how much PC has slowed down IMHO. Plus if YT compression is so bad,again what is the point,as it might be obscuring other details??

Now considering the PS5 is around £400~£500,maybe a bit more,and the XBox One X is even more powerful,maybe some of these channels should make a £500 gaming PC,or even a mainstream gaming PC(they can look at Steam and determine mainstream parts),and see how it performs.

To put it in context,for a prebuild you can just about get a Ryzen 5 3600 and a RTX2060/RX5600XT for £1000. It gets even more expensive if want to purchase a SFF PC which these consoles are comparable to. So what advantages in performance does a £1000 PC have - nothing really as both the CPU and GPU are slower.

They are more busy extracting money from our pocket,and dripping out improvements.

This new generation of GPUs needs to be massively better than the old,at least double the RT performance of the old generation. I hope these consoles jolt them out of their complacency.


I am really excited too, especially for the consoles, the problem Nvidia faces is laid bare in the video that was posted above. The only way for Nvidia to protect their margins is to show clear water between their new products and the PS5/XBOX X.

Which means sadly, Nvidia and their allied media outlets debunking the AMD driven consoles by moving the goal-posts on youtube and other means.

The goal post for this console generation was to make 1080p/100fps/VRR gaming a non-issue, Virtual Reality a non-issue and 4k 'good' whilst wrapping it into an affordable, effortless package that looks stylish and does not sound like a Vulcan jet at takeoff.

There is absolutely no comparison to this console launch and the last one, we are truly about to get the generational leap that people like myself have been waiting for since the Dreamcast hit the shelves 20 years ago. And I believe that every console launch since the Dreamcast has been cpu/gpu hardware wise, a generational disaster with, a respectful nod to what Nintendo have managed to do with the latest Wii U given their budget and design constraints.

I am in the situation where for the first time i will probably spend more on console hardware than on PC GPU hardware.

I agree entirely with this,PC companies are more busy with their marketing. But,but the £1000 GPU is OK,it does XYZ,better than the console peasants. Except,most of the PC is also peasants,if you look on Steam too,as the mainstream is being hollowed out,with smaller and smaller improvements. So realistically one of these consoles,is going to be better than most mainstream gaming PCs. This is what happens when money men get involved with PC.

It's a hit piece because it's hypercritical of the advances of the next gen console that the current consoles do not do. Instead of exploring the differences in the games presented in a compare and contrast.
It's overtly negative towards those advances which comes off as a hidden agenda. For the games they criticized, Gran Turismo 7, what other litmus was used to compare hardware with? Absolutely none. Thus, why it's a hit piece.

They were gushing over RTX with an RTX2060! :p
 
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If you can get a whole console at ~ RTX 2080 Super performance for £100 less than the cost of that GPU alone.... Yeah Nvidia are in hot water.

AMD don't really care, at best only 3 in 10 people buy AMD GPU's even where people like those GPU's and think they are good cards, at the high end its less than 1 in 10, but huge numbers of people do buy consoles powered by their hardware.
 
Few others have posted the same too throughout the thread, but look at the sheer amount of slating, and lolling posts still after, so if AMDs RT, only looks different to Nvidias RT, when you just stand about, just looking around, and through looking at screenshots, just like that, in the inevitable comparison articles that will be coming, and they don't get an absolute slaughtering, then im going to have to buy a new hat :p

I thought DLSS in Metro Exodus was really well done. I didn't notice any blurry mess either.

DLSS 2.0 is fantastic.

LOL Yes, you are going to need a new hat for sure!!
 
If you can get a whole console at ~ RTX 2080 Super performance for £100 less than the cost of that GPU alone.... Yeah Nvidia are in hot water.

AMD don't really care, at best only 3 in 10 people buy AMD GPU's even where people like those GPU's and think they are good cards, at the high end its less than 1 in 10, but huge numbers of people do buy consoles powered by their hardware.

Like I said earlier,for £1000,you can barely get a prebuilt gaming PC with a Ryzen 5 3600 and a RTX2060/RX5700 which is going to be slower than one of these consoles,whilst costing 50% to 100% more. Also no PCI-E 4.0 SSD I suspect with any of these £1000 PCs. I am sure the tech press with their free £1000 GPUs,will wax lyrical over them,but what about all the mainstream GPUs,which will be in £1000 prebuilt gaming PCs? Most gamers buy their PCs already built,not build them!

How are the £200~£400 new generation GPUs going to perform in rasterised and RT games?? That is what is going to be the big selling GPUs. We really need to have something at least RTX2080 Super performance under £350,otherwise it will be less than 50% uplift(at 1080p) over what you can currently get:
https://tpucdn.com/review/powercolo...gon/images/relative-performance_1920-1080.png

If the tech press start waxing lyrical at under 40% improvement in rasterised performance,then you know they have taken the marketing money.
 
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I thought DLSS in Metro Exodus was really well done. I didn't notice any blurry mess either.

DLSS 2.0 is fantastic.

LOL Yes, you are going to need a new hat for sure!!
September is going to be a good month.

Cyberpunk 2077 + DLSS 2.0 + RT = Bliss :D

I just need to make sure I grab a RTX 3070 as soon as they go on sale. I only have a RX 580 at the minute as I am not playing anything, well I have Halo Master Chief Collection installed which runs smoothly, but not bothered playing it lately.
 
September is going to be a good month.

Cyberpunk 2077 + DLSS 2.0 + RT = Bliss :D

I just need to make sure I grab a RTX 3070 as soon as they go on sale. I only have a RX 580 at the minute as I am not playing anything, well I have Halo Master Chief Collection installed which runs smoothly, but not bothered playing it lately.

Just run the game without FXAA and you will be fine. That is what all the DLSS comparisons do - compare native images with FXAA,which is like a vaseline filter on top.

:p
 
September is going to be a good month.

Cyberpunk 2077 + DLSS 2.0 + RT = Bliss :D

I just need to make sure I grab a RTX 3070 as soon as they go on sale. I only have a RX 580 at the minute as I am not playing anything, well I have Halo Master Chief Collection installed which runs smoothly, but not bothered playing it lately.

Will you go 3070 even if the AMD equivalent is better?
 
Hmm, I thought Navi12 was a pipe cleaner for Mac?
Benchmarks of the new Apple-exclusive AMD Radeon Pro 5600M graphics solution by Max Tech reveals that the new GPU is about 50% faster than the Radeon Pro 5500M, and within striking distance of the Radeon Pro Vega 48 found in Apple's 5K iMacs.
The Pro 5600M is an Apple-exclusive solution by AMD, based on the "Navi 12" silicon that features a 7 nm GPU die based on the RDNA graphics architecture, flanked by two 4 GB HBM2 memory stacks over a 2048-bit interface. The GPU die features 2,560 stream processors, but clocked differently from Radeon Pro discrete graphics cards based on the "Navi 10" ASIC that uses conventional GDDR6.

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Unigine Heaven sees the Pro 5600M being 48.1% faster than the Pro 5500M, and interestingly, faster than Vega 48 by 11.3%. With 2,560 RDNA stream processors, you'd expect more performance, but this card was designed to meet stringent power limits of 50 W, and has significantly lower clock-speeds than "Navi 10" based Radeon Pro graphics cards (1035 MHz max boost engine clock vs. 1930 MHz and 205 W TDP of the Pro W5700).


https://www.techpowerup.com/268683/amd-radeon-pro-5600m-with-hbm2-benchmarked#comments

So, if RDNA 1 is already refined using HMB2...
 
If you can get a whole console at ~ RTX 2080 Super performance for £100 less than the cost of that GPU alone.... Yeah Nvidia are in hot water.
problem is comparing an unreleased console to 2 year old pc tech. wait until the ps5 actually releases, I bet the 3060 will outperform it.
 
I always find the statement "better than native" quite funny when comparing with FXAA.

:D

problem is comparing an unreleased console to 2 year old pc tech. wait until the ps5 actually releases, I bet the 3060 will outperform it.

The PS5 is the slower of the two, interesting you should pick that one you don't seem so convinced these consoles are not going to give Nvidia a headache.......

If the 3060 is faster and critically at a reasonable price then great, as far as i'm concerned those consoles will have done their job because pricing right now is out of control, this trend of getting incrementally less price to performance needs to be reversed as its been going on significantly for several generations now, there needs to be a drastic jacking back up in what performance we get for our money.
 
problem is comparing an unreleased console to 2 year old pc tech. wait until the ps5 actually releases, I bet the 3060 will outperform it.

The RTX3060 and the RDNA 2 equivalent should outperform even the XBox Series X GPU an be priced under £350 being a 60 series GPU. As seen by the charts,an RTX2080TI is only around 30% faster than an RX5700XT at lower resolutions,and you could get RX5700XT for around £350 a few months ago.
 
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