AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 18 Jun 2020 at 18:51

shankly1985 said:
Announcing AMD Support for GPU-Accelerated Machine Learning Training on Windows 10

https://community.amd.com/community...rated-machine-learning-training-on-windows-10

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Satchfanuk · 18 Jun 2020 at 18:58

TNA said:
September is going to be a good month.

Cyberpunk 2077 + DLSS 2.0 + RT = Bliss

I just need to make sure I grab a RTX 3070 as soon as they go on sale. I only have a RX 580 at the minute as I am not playing anything, well I have Halo Master Chief Collection installed which runs smoothly, but not bothered playing it lately.

You jinxed it, Cyberpunk is delayed again, now expected 19 Nov 20. Is this to fit Nvidia's timeline or the game's?

Joxeon · 18 Jun 2020 at 19:11

Satchfanuk said:
You jinxed it, Cyberpunk is delayed again, now expected 19 Nov 20. Is this to fit Nvidia's timeline or the game's?

Probably for the console release.

TNA · 18 Jun 2020 at 19:59

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I always find the statement "better than native" quite funny when comparing with FXAA.

Same here mate. It is ridiculous if you ask me. But Melmec will defend it

Even though I see where he is coming from, still does not make it right imo. Can't be apply Vaseline on a 4K image and then calling it "native"!

Troezar said:
Will you go 3070 even if the AMD equivalent is better?

Depends on how much better AMD's alternative is as I would like my G-sync screen doing it's job once again. If AMD's offering is superior enough I could always sell this monitor and get a new one that does G-Sync and Freesync I guess, but likely that would set me back £200 at least after selling this monitor, probably a lot more.

Right now I have little confidence that AMD will provide something that will be much better than Nvidia's offerings in the price for performance segment I am after. They have been trying to become this premium brand and charge nearly just as much as Nvidia, so switching monitors will likely not be worth it. Now if getting a new monitor was super easy, i.e. no monitor lottery and if prices were not so silly right now, it would make getting a new monitor easier. But this is not the case. Also I would ideally like to go OLED as my monitor next.

Satchfanuk said:
You jinxed it, Cyberpunk is delayed again, now expected 19 Nov 20. Is this to fit Nvidia's timeline or the game's?

Hah!! I was just thinking the ******* same thing. FFS!

Yeah, I get the feeling that this is not just the case of it needing more Polishing. Sure it will get that, but there is also an element of it being a business decision to maximise profits, be it a deal with Nvidia or the console manufacturers so it is released for their new consoles on release of them.

shankly1985 · 18 Jun 2020 at 20:19

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
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How its copied lol

JediFragger · 18 Jun 2020 at 20:26

humbug said:
Wait? has it? how do you know?

Common sense?

Calin Banc · 18 Jun 2020 at 23:48

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
In the end these are alpha releases,so not final games. What is it?? 4~6 months before release?? How were RTX games on Turing GPUs,4~6 months before release,with alpha game builds and alpha drivers?? Do these consoles,run different quality and performance modes?? What was running,etc??

So on one hand,the games are still finalising image quality and performance,and secondly the uarch is not even actually available,so drivers and features are probably still be evaluated.If we used Turing as an example 4~6 months made a difference in performance.

Also,if you need to magnify images 200% that tells me the differences are not obvious without standing still and zooming into stuff,which is the same thing with tessellation.

Indeed, they are a long way off and it remains to be seen how they will look in the end - personally I doubt it will be night and day since the PC is not doing THAT much better either.I would love to see "all in" and for the consoles to go 1080p@30fps at least in a title or two. Should be something interesting.

Zoom in is mostly to point out some differences, making it easy to see over recording / YT, stuff which is usually lost/hidden by lower quality than then game actually running on your screen. How much you care about certain details is subjective and thus a bit meaningless as it could be important for another.

PS: Still away are also the new GPUs and CPUs, so just the same we can assume about next mainstream AMD/nVIDIA GPUs, more exactly, that will be just as good (if not better) then the ones from consoles - at similar prices.Right now we just don't know.

EastCoastHandle · 20 Jun 2020 at 00:02

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There is 4 of them...

LOL, if that's true...

shankly1985 · 20 Jun 2020 at 02:33

This is nuts @EastCoastHandle I was just sitting here thinking outside the box about RDNA 2 and I had a thought what if AMD using something like HBCC on VEGA for RDNA 2 to boost GPU load times like a super-fast on-chip I come here to post this and you already posted what seems like what am I talking about SDMA?

EastCoastHandle · 20 Jun 2020 at 03:29

shankly1985 said:
This is nuts @EastCoastHandle I was just sitting here thinking outside the box about RDNA 2 and I had a thought what if AMD using something like HBCC on VEGA for RDNA 2 to boost GPU load times like a super-fast on-chip I come here to post this and you already posted what seems like what am I talking about SDMA?

System DMA: "Is designed for paging memory and other tasks related to GPU memory management. SDMA can be used for asynchronous memory transfers between system memory and GPU memory"

For starters it's said that the reason why PS5 die isn't shown. As it's alleged to use 3d stack memory. Navi21 is suppose to also be using 3d stack memory. IE: Last level of cache. Several GBs of it. Assuming 4GB.

Troezar · 20 Jun 2020 at 06:22

EastCoastHandle said:
System DMA: "Is designed for paging memory and other tasks related to GPU memory management. SDMA can be used for asynchronous memory transfers between system memory and GPU memory"

For starters it's said that the reason why PS5 die isn't shown. As it's alleged to use 3d stack memory. Navi21 is suppose to also be using 3d stack memory. IE: Last level of cache. Several GBs of it. Assuming 4GB.

If he is right I think he was saying 4x1GB up from 2x 4MB on the 5700XT. That's a huge increase. Is this then used to stream data in the same way we've heard about the PS5?

Chuk_Chuk · 20 Jun 2020 at 09:50

Was he speculating on the 1GB packet size or was that in the linux commits that he was going through?

Also i really hope Coretek is wrong on pricing.

Troezar · 20 Jun 2020 at 10:10

Chuk_Chuk said:
Was he speculating on the 1GB packet size or was that in the linux commits that he was going through?

Also i really hope Coretek is wrong on pricing.

I think you're right it was the DMA link bandwidth he was talking about. Edit: actually also talking about 3D stacked die with GB's of physical memory.

bru · 20 Jun 2020 at 11:32

EastCoastHandle said:
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There is 4 of them...

LOL, if that's true...

You missed the most important one.

Well lets all hope that coreteks is full of it.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 20 Jun 2020 at 11:55

If that is anywhere near accurate pricing,they can keep the GPUs. So a 6600XT midrange GPU is going to be $350~$400 going by those pricing tiers,so with VAT £350~£400. They must be thinking PC gamers are all whales.

TNA · 20 Jun 2020 at 11:57

bru said:
You missed the most important one.

Well lets all hope that coreteks is full of it.

Lol. That would be too funny. Those price points suck! Going to be fun seeing the AMD boys reaction if those end up being true.

Participant · 20 Jun 2020 at 11:57

If those prices are even remotely accurate then it's consoles for me this time round and the PCs can keep chugging along.

I was keen to play MFS2020 at 4K60 full bells and whistles, but not for a grand.

bru · 20 Jun 2020 at 11:57

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
If that is anywhere near accurate pricing,they can keep the GPUs. So a 6600XT midrange GPU is going to b $350~$400,so with VAT £350~£400. They must be thinking PC gamers are all whales.

Yup, that isn't starting a price war, that is just playing follow the leader. all the while just shafting the customer, which we have all been moaning at NVidia for.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 20 Jun 2020 at 12:00

bru said:
Yup, that isn't starting a price war, that is just playing follow the leader. all the while just shafting the customer, which we have all been moaning at NVidia for.

I don't care how fast the 6600XT is,because in the end that is justifying mainstream GPUs being pushed closer to £400,looking at the pricing tiers. Now add currency fluctuates,normal inflation,etc,give it a few years and you can be seeing a mainstream GPU hitting £500,and entry level GPUs starting at £250. All for playing games at resolutions which sub £200 monitors have.

TNA said:
Lol. That would be too funny. Those price points suck! Going to be fun seeing the AMD boys reaction if those end up being true.

If those prices are remotely true,they are smoking some strong stuff,as Nvidia will just undercut them slightly and win. They did this with the RTX2060 and the stupid RX5600XT pricing,and the same when AMD refused to cut R9 290 pricing when the GTX970 arrived,and by the time they did Nvidia had won.

Edit!!

Maybe it's more of the "jebaiting" stuff to fool Nvidia or it's another made up leak. But it's hard to say what is true now,as most of these companies look at PC gamers as whales.

Satchfanuk · 20 Jun 2020 at 12:06

Those aren't leaked prices, I just watched the Coreteks video and he says those are where he thinks they will be priced. I assume he is basing his assumptions on the current Nvidia pricing structure.