AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[TNA]

Yup, that isn't starting a price war, that is just playing follow the leader. all the while just shafting the customer, which we have all been moaning at NVidia for.

Yep. We may start seeing some AMD boys finally seeing that it is pointless being loyal to any company. They are only loyal to themselves and their shareholders. That is why I don’t give a crap about AMD or nvidia and go for what is best for me and my wallet.

That being said there is a bit more to it, like if AMD and Intel had similar performing CPU’s and price for performance, I would go AMD, probably the same can be said in the GPU space, assuming at the time I had a monitor that would do both freesync and g-sync.

Those aren't leaked prices, I just watched the Coreteks video and he says those are where he thinks they will be prices. I assume he is basing his assumptions on the current Nvidia pricing structure.

Makes sense, but those are silly guesses. AMD would one even more fans if they do that imo.

 

[Satchfanuk]

I'm hoping AMD will undercut Nvidia by a tier with their pricing. It will still mean the top cards being expensive at around 800 ish but that is massively cheaper than 1200 for the alternative.

The only way AMD can get away with matching Nvidia pricing is if they smash the performance of 3000 series.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Makes sense, but those are silly guesses. AMD would one even more fans if they do that imo.

They've been matching Nvidia on pricing, and even charging more, since the Fury though, as they said then, we no longer want to be seen as the cheap brand, we're going Premium.

FuryX, was more expensive than the 980 Ti when it was released (was £25 more expensive than the 980 Ti on here), yet only matched the 980s performance, and had 2GB less memory.

Vega 64, that was more expensive than the faster 1080, the LC, was even more.

The 5700 XT, same price as the 2070 Super, with some being even higher, slightly slower, no Dx12 Ultimate support, or HW RT.

Its reasonable to think, that Big Navi, will follow the same trend.

 

[TheRealDeal]

They've been matching Nvidia on pricing, and even charging more, since the Fury though, as they said then, we no longer want to be seen as the cheap brand, we're going Premium.

FuryX, was more expensive than the 980 Ti when it was released (was £25 more expensive than the 980 Ti on here), yet only matched the 980s performance, and had 2GB less memory.

Vega 64, that was more expensive than the faster 1080, the LC, was even more.

The 5700 XT, same price as the 2070 Super, with some being even higher, slightly slower, no Dx12 Ultimate support, or HW RT.

Its reasonable to think, that Big Navi, will follow the same trend.

I can agree with Vega and Fury but you are smoking something with your 5700xt statement.

2070s rrp is $500 and 5700xt is $400 which is the same as the 2060 super rrp. Just before Covid you were getting 5700xt's for £350.

Cheapest 5700xt

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-19d-pc.html

Cheapest 2060 Super

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pali...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-04u-pl.html

Cheapest 2070 Super

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-1b3-gi.html

 

[LoadsaMoney]

I can agree with Vega and Fury but you are smoking something with your 5700xt statement.

2070s rrp is $500 and 5700xt is $400 which is the same as the 2060 super rrp. Just before Covid you were getting 5700xt's for £350.

Cheapest 5700xt

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-19d-pc.html

Cheapest 2060 Super

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pali...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-04u-pl.html

Cheapest 2070 Super

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-1b3-gi.html

On release, some were around £500/£500+, like the Nitro, Devil etc...., you could have gotten a 2070 Super, for only £450/£475 (i think it was the KFA2 one), as i remember when some were asking about buying those cards, i was recommending the 2070 Super, as it was cheaper.

 

[TheRealDeal]

On release, some were around £500/£500+, like the Nitro, Devil etc...., you could have gotten a 2070 Super, for only £450/£475 (think it was the KFA2 one),as i remeber when some were asking about those cards, i was recommending the 2070 Supoer, asit was cheaper.

That's nothing to do with AMD though that's all retailers and aib's. Amd set the price at $400, the rest is not them. With Fury and Vega the rep was set to high but not with 5700xt.

 

[bru]

Release prices.

5700xt $399

2070 super $499

You have to use dollars to get an accurate representation, because that is currency that the companies work in. Their are many extra factors to take into account when using pounds.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

I don't believe for one second, that AMD could not have a say.

I remember hearing once that Nvidia, were going to get rid of some of their partners, if they started doing AMDs cards as well.

 

[TheRealDeal]

I don't believe for one second, that AMD could not have a say.

I remember hearing once that Nvidia, were going to get rid of some of their partners, if they started doing AMDs cards as well.

That's all just guessing though. Who's to say it was not the retailers driving the prices because of low initial stock. We have all been here long enough to see supply and demand driving prices up and down. What we do know is what Nvidia and Amd set the rrp's at. As Bru said above $ pricing is the only constant as currencies fluctuate towards the $.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

What about the GeForce Partner programme they were going to do.

 

[TheRealDeal]

What about the GeForce Partner programme they were going to.

Was that not more about controlling the premium branding ie Asus Rog.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Yeah, they were getting their partners, like ASUS, to drop them from their brands, they were going to do AREZ for AMD, instead of the ROG, that was going to be Nvidia only brand, so if they can do stuff like that, im sure they could have a say on pricing.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Yeah, they were getting their partners, like ASUS, to drop them from their brands, they were going to do AREZ for AMD, instead of the ROG, that was going to be Nvidia only brand, so if they can do stuff like that, im sure they could have a say on pricing.

Well they had to sign up first and Nvidia have the clout to tell them sign or lose a lot of money. Amd on the other hand would not be able to do the same back then. With Ryzen doing so well now they maybe could have some influence now. Imagine AMD back then going in and saying the same as Nvidia, the whole Asus board would have died of laughter.

 

[humbug]

You missed the most important one.

Well lets all hope that coreteks is full of it.

The 5700XT was initially supposed to be $500, it came down to $400 when launch.

Ryzen 3000 Refreshes, all of them apparently quite expensive, for example the 3600X replacement (3600XT) $280... its actually going to be $50 less than that.

Right now i don't trust AMD's own pricing slides. I don't know what they are baiting at....

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Well they had to sign up first and Nvidia have the clout to tell them sign or lose a lot of money. Amd on the other hand would not be able to do the same back then. With Ryzen doing so well now they maybe could have some influence now. Imagine AMD back then going in and saying the same as Nvidia, the whole Asus board would have died of laughter.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Those aren't leaked prices, I just watched the Coreteks video and he says those are where he thinks they will be priced. I assume he is basing his assumptions on the current Nvidia pricing structure.

Exactly, you think it was mention in a attempt to justify Nvidia current GPU price structure.

But if the leak specs are true it would make sense to the rumored 10% performance hit in heavy RTing.

And I could see big navi being up to 50% faster than 2080ti.

 

[gpuerrilla]

On release, some were around £500/£500+, like the Nitro, Devil etc...., you could have gotten a 2070 Super, for only £450/£475 (i think it was the KFA2 one), as i remember when some were asking about buying those cards, i was recommending the 2070 Super, as it was cheaper.

You are smoking something as @TheRealDeal quoted. Seems if you can be a fanboy on here you can also fall into the trap of being a brand hater - why bother?

The reason the cards are so expensive (in your twisted example) is they were fresh releases, just check the 5600XT when that launched, it was near the 5700 price. They soon adjust - just look now the 2070s is £120 more..

Its cherry picking for arguments here. Of course you thought the 2070 in your example was cheaper because the retailers have them out much longer and the prices adjust, its a flat out unfair comparison - latching onto release prices, we know AMD for a similar product will generally be the cheaper alternative.

 

[humbug]

This is a good 5700XT. £400. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-19b-pc.html

An equivalent 2070 Super. £480 https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-1b3-gi.html

I paid £330 for my 5700XT.

 

[gpuerrilla]

The 5700XT was initially supposed to be $500, it came down to $400 when launch.

Ryzen 3000 Refreshes, all of them apparently quite expensive, for example the 3600X replacement (3600XT) $280... its actually going to be $50 less than that.

Right now i don't trust AMD's own pricing slides. I don't know what they are baiting at....

Yeah I would not believe them prices till you see them on the sites very true.

 

[humbug]

I will agree the 5600XT was over priced, the 5700XT tho did land at £400.