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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by Gregster, Nov 8, 2019.

  1. ubersonic

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    There was the HD7000 series, Nvidia launched their mid-range parts as the GTX670/680 because they believed they were enough to beat the HD7950/7970 (instead of just launching the GTX780 as the GTX680 there and then) then AMD magically "found" driver/firmware updates that enabled the 7950/7970 to start beating the 670/680 and for a lot less money.

    There was actually a class action threatened by US customers over that, as they believed they had been harmed by AMD intentionally holding back performance until after the competition launched.
     
  2. JediFragger

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    Yeah that's a little different though, plus it's back when AMD actually had a comparable driver-team (unlike now) so def had the manpower to pull that off.
     
  3. Panos

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    With the same logic, the 2070S owners should start a class action against AMD today, because with 19.12.2 drivers, 5700XT got 7% performance boost over 19.11.1 on which brought it line if not beating the 2070S....... with the reference blower....

    Or all those who got Nvidio 3d kit & 3d monitors should sue Nvidia for dropping support last March.
     
  4. Grim5

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    It's uniquely amd issue. I don't see why they would do it on purpose though. It's just that AMD is always on the back foot and they launch their graphics cards well before the drivers are 100% ready. It's like they sell you a GPU but the drivers are only in Alpha. Then over the following months it goes through Alpha, Beta and finally it gets to Release and that's when you notice a performance increase.
     
  5. JediFragger

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    Has a reputable site done a comparison yet dude? I'd love to see it :cool:
     
  6. JediFragger

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    This may be on the 2020's I'm not sure as not stated, but it's damn close!

     
  7. Jacky60

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    I'd like this to be true but AMD have consistently disappointed in the GPU space for nearly a decade. Over-promising and under-delivering
    while their marketing department add insult to injury with ludicrous statements like 'an overclocker's dream' and 'poor Volta' which undermine the glacially slow progress their GPU arm is making. Here's hoping....
    I'd be happy if they had crossfire working on the 5700XT, at least that would allow 2080ti performance from an AMD solution but they seem to have stopped supporting Mgpu which I guess makes sense if they struggle to get single GPU drivers working consistently from launch.
     
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  8. Grim5

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    Looks like Nvidia may be slightly worried so they drop their own rumours.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/n...ter-than-turing-at-half-the-power-consumption

    As Published in the Taiwan Times news, a Taiwanese investment firm (through discussions with companies like MSI and ASUS) reports that Nvidias Ampere GPUs to launch q3 2020. Built on 7nm process from TSMC and Samsung. Has 50% higher performance And up to 50% lower power draw at the same time, compared to 12nm Turing. This would mean the Performance per Watt is nearly Double that of Turing if true.
     
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  9. D.P.

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    The 7nm+ EUV process has a 70% power reduction and 30% performance increase over 16nm+++++/12nm. so that is 100% power-performance increase and double performance per watt.
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/14954/tsmc-n7-euv-process-technology-in-hvm-n6-on-track
     
  10. 4K8KW10

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    That was mismanagement by Raja Koduri. R9 Fury X was a good card, the cards before it were good also.

    Look at this video. It quite clearly shows how Radeon's image quality is higher than GeForce's image quality.

    If you don't appreciate higher image quality, then Radeon is not the product for you, in the first place.

     
  11. b00merang69

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    :D
     
  12. doody

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    my sapphire pulse 5700 xt runs flawlessly on 19.11.3 drivers:p;):o
     
  13. Dicehunter

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    If BIG Navi comes in at around £700 I'll swap from team green especially considering the new info concerning next gen Nvidia cards may be even more expensive.
     
  14. Grim5

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    who said they will be more expensive? I haven't seen any info to suggest that
     
  15. Nasher

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    Unless they say it's going to be cheaper. Assume it's going to be more expensive.

    It's Nvidia...
     
  16. Tommy_Here

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    I haven't had an AMD card since the 5770 was really close to getting a cheap 2nd hand XT but there's no games out, next game I'm interested in is Doom Eternal and RE3 so I've got a while yet, picked up a 780 Ti classified for £60 for giggles it does okay.. :p I've had cards such as 1080 Ti's and Titan Xp's before but sold them on for not much less than what I paid due to hardly playing games... if they can release a card 25% performance over 5700 xt for £450 I'll bite as that'll be a solid 4k card imo.
     
  17. Grim5

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    but he said he has read news of a price increase, I'm just asking for proof
     
  18. bigmike20vt

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  20. JediFragger

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    But at the same time their are concerns that demand for GDDR6 is about to outstrip supply in 2020, pushing prices up.