AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

Jimmy Weirdarms · 14 Jul 2020 at 01:05

EastCoastHandle said:
What I do believe is that the 2080ti damages the RTX branding with 1080p/30fps @ $1200. When compared against consoles making it it look very weak at its price point.

What game is that on?

I was happily playing Wolfenstein Youngblood on mine last night at 4k60 with RTX, and that's as fast as my monitor goes (yes I had DLSS on, in "quality" mode)

EastCoastHandle · 14 Jul 2020 at 01:26

Jimmy Weirdarms said:
What game is that on?

I was happily playing Wolfenstein Youngblood on mine last night at 4k60 with RTX, and that's as fast as my monitor goes (yes I had DLSS on, in "quality" mode)

That's strange, that game isn't open world. It's a corridor, on rails FPS.
However, the game we were discussing is Watch Dogs. And the video that were referred to is this one:

You can skip ahead to the 1:10 mark. But the gist of it can be found at the 4:03 mark. Enjoy!

There is also quite a few articles posted about it:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDI...30-FPS-with-ray-tracing-enabled.481178.0.html

https://www.techspot.com/news/85971-watch-dogs-legion-early-build-struggles-hit-60fps1080p.html

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/7374...2080-ti-1080p-can-barely-hit-30fps/index.html

Par for the course is 1080p/30fps in Cyberpunk 2077 as well:
https://wccftech.com/cyberpunk-2077...dlss-2-0-enabled-on-an-rtx-2080ti-powered-pc/

Yada Yada, we've seen this before in RT games. As I've said before, as more games become open world and use RT the 2080ti is looking to become pretty useless card for it's asking price.

However, if you plan on selling the 2080ti gift them Youngbloods as hook. And do it before there is any addition potential negative benchmark results of the 2080ti benchmarked in Cyberpunk 2077.

Grim5 · 14 Jul 2020 at 01:43

Can't wait to see the 1080ti try ray tracing in watch dogs 3 = 5fps

EastCoastHandle · 14 Jul 2020 at 02:52

Latest rumor:
RDNA 2 might be up to 50% 2080ti as rumored earlier. If true would force price cuts on Ampere :eek:

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Making the 2080ti a midrange card

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The 1st line is something I've said before. Nvidia already knows the performance of RDNA 2. And AMD knows the performance of Ampere.

Joxeon · 14 Jul 2020 at 03:07

Well nvidia has been more interesting in increasing prices rather than performance for the last couple of years so I wouldn't be suprised if AMD do catch up and if nvidia pull another Turing like increase with ampere then they might be in trouble.

Grim5 · 14 Jul 2020 at 04:13

EastCoastHandle said:
Latest rumor:
RDNA 2 might be up to 50% 2080ti as rumored earlier. If true would force price cuts on Ampere .
Making the 2080ti a midrange card .

The 1st line is something I've said before. Nvidia already knows the performance of RDNA 2. And AMD knows the performance of Ampere.

Only problem is that the source is Moore's Law is Dead, a youtuber that is known for just making up crap and having a zero track record in accuracy of leaks

EastCoastHandle · 14 Jul 2020 at 05:09

Grim5 said:
Only problem is that the source is Moore's Law is Dead, a youtuber that is known for just making up crap and having a zero track record in accuracy of leaks

Yes, I'm aware of him and not a apple fan.

However this is not the first time I've heard of RDNA 2 being up to 50% faster than 2080 TI. And the fact that he noted that the information was coming from the Nvidia... Intriguing. With people like him even a broken clock is right twice a day. People who's always right about rumors can be wrong and vice versa.

Also, it's still a rumor and it comes with the normal disclaimers as such.

JediFragger · 14 Jul 2020 at 07:59

EastCoastHandle said:
unreal tournament

M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-Moooooooooooooooonster kill

BigBANGtheory · 14 Jul 2020 at 08:32

EastCoastHandle said:
Yes, I'm aware of him and not a apple fan.

However this is not the first time I've heard of RDNA 2 being up to 50% faster than 2080 TI. And the fact that he noted that the information was coming from the Nvidia... Intriguing. With people like him even a broken clock is right twice a day. People who's always right about rumors can be wrong and vice versa.

Also, it's still a rumor and it comes with the normal disclaimers as such.

NaaF is one of the precious few that publically and clearly shines a light on NVIDIA’s products, that instantly elevates his integrity over more well known media review sites that quite blatently dodge what most would consider perfectly reasonable criticism

Stanners · 14 Jul 2020 at 08:45

I see a few are well and truly on the hype train, sad thing is it normally ends not so well with AMD in recent times. I think anyone with any sense takes anything from obscure sources with the pinch of salt it deserves.

gronf · 14 Jul 2020 at 09:12

Dude, that screenshot is just a poor job put out by Moore's Law Is Dead. Apparently Nvidia knows my ass - wait, no they don't as I won't bend over to Darth Huang.

I'm somewhat sarcastically thinking EastCoastHandle might be Moore's Law Is Dead..

I'm going for roughly $400-550 at 1440p. I just want buttery smooth 100+ at traditional key high settings there for a good 3+ years yet, and enjoy RT as much as possible but secondarily unless better than I'm expecting.

gpuerrilla · 14 Jul 2020 at 09:14

EastCoastHandle said:
Latest rumor:
RDNA 2 might be up to 50% 2080ti as rumored earlier. If true would force price cuts on Ampere .
Making the 2080ti a midrange card .
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The 1st line is something I've said before. Nvidia already knows the performance of RDNA 2. And AMD knows the performance of Ampere.

Its blatent that the sides are discussing what to price release at so they dont shaft one another. Business only when it comes to this situation.

TNA · 14 Jul 2020 at 09:15

EastCoastHandle said:
Latest rumor:
RDNA 2 might be up to 50% 2080ti as rumored earlier. If true would force price cuts on Ampere .
Making the 2080ti a midrange card .

The 1st line is something I've said before. Nvidia already knows the performance of RDNA 2. And AMD knows the performance of Ampere.

My sources confirmed this. They also said the GPU in question will be £599!

All aboard the hype train!! @humbug has a special first class ticket reserved that gives him access to the drivers seat when he wants

JediFragger · 14 Jul 2020 at 09:25

AMD gunna smasssssssshhhhhh nVidiots with their RX480 errrrrrrrr Navi 2X!!!!!!!!!!!

oDannyR · 14 Jul 2020 at 09:32

I really hope they manage to pull it off! Imagine the GPU high-end market getting shook up like the CPU market did so that there is actually competition! Just hope that drivers are matured by the time it comes

Satchfanuk · 14 Jul 2020 at 10:19

Grim5 said:
Only problem is that the source is Moore's Law is Dead, a youtuber that is known for just making up crap and having a zero track record in accuracy of leaks

I loved KittyCorgi on Twitter saying they just wished Moore's Law Is Dead would just stop talking haha.

Said it was all nonsense like how Ampere would have 4 x RT performance etc, all rubbish

Grim5 · 14 Jul 2020 at 10:51

Satchfanuk said:
I loved KittyCorgi on Twitter saying they just wished Moore's Law Is Dead would just stop talking haha.

Said it was all nonsense like how Ampere would have 4 x RT performance etc, all rubbish

I think the reason his channel is popular is because he stuff he makes up is the stuff people want to hear - like people want to hear that's its 4x RT improvement so they spread the fake rumours around and it snowballs

melmac · 14 Jul 2020 at 12:48

humbug said:
I don't know how to answer that, i don't really know what you are asking?

Why do you this Humbug? You make up stuff. Your whole post is wrong, from AMD not wanting to compete in the desktop market to the gaming market been Nvidia's only source of income to a screen's scaler affecting DLSS.

The revenue that the computing and graphics division brings in is AMD's main source of revenue. Even with the small market share that they have in GPU and CPU, it's still their main business and they will want a bigger piece of the pie.

Nvidia don't just make money from Gaming. They dominate the Datacentre and workstation GPU market.

Back to AMD. The Enterprise, Embedded and Semi Custom part of their business doesn't just include consoles. It includes server and embedded CPUs and they don't just make SOCs for consoles. If you look at this section in 2013 it had 1577 million in revenue. So, unless you are suggesting that AMD made 1577 million in 2 months of console sales in 2013, you are going to have to recalculate your figures. Would AMD even make anything from consoles in the first couple of months? Probably not.

In 2014 AMD made 2374 million. Can we say all that increase was due to console sales? Maybe, if so, then they made around 800 million. They certainly didn't make 2.3 billion from console sales in 2016. Check 2019 if you don't believe me. 2022 million, how much of that is console sales? Very little.

Console sales are nice earner for sure, but it's only a part of their revenue in this section of their business. And it's only possible through the efforts of the computer and Graphic divisions.

Lastly, DLSS. DLSS 2.0 isn't blurry and it's not affect by the scaler if you set the game resolution to the screens native resolution. What game were you playing and what screen were you using?

humbug · 14 Jul 2020 at 12:52

EastCoastHandle said:
Latest rumor:
RDNA 2 might be up to 50% 2080ti as rumored earlier. If true would force price cuts on Ampere .
Making the 2080ti a midrange card .

The 1st line is something I've said before. Nvidia already knows the performance of RDNA 2. And AMD knows the performance of Ampere.

"72 SMs with two clusters of 36 CUs in each" Wait what? MCM?

humbug · 14 Jul 2020 at 12:55

melmac said:
Why do you this Humbug? You make up stuff. Your whole post is wrong, from AMD not wanting to compete in the desktop market to the gaming market been Nvidia's only source of income to a screen's scaler affecting DLSS.

The revenue that the computing and graphics division brings in is AMD's main source of revenue. Even with the small market share that they have in GPU and CPU, it's still their main business and they will want a bigger piece of the pie.

Nvidia don't just make money from Gaming. They dominate the Datacentre and workstation GPU market.

Back to AMD. The Enterprise, Embedded and Semi Custom part of their business doesn't just include consoles. It includes server and embedded CPUs and they don't just make SOCs for consoles. If you look at this section in 2013 it had 1577 million in revenue. So, unless you are suggesting that AMD made 1577 million in 2 months of console sales in 2013, you are going to have to recalculate your figures. Would AMD even make anything from consoles in the first couple of months? Probably not.

In 2014 AMD made 2374 million. Can we say all that increase was due to console sales? Maybe, if so, then they made around 800 million. They certainly didn't make 2.3 billion from console sales in 2016. Check 2019 if you don't believe me. 2022 million, how much of that is console sales? Very little.

Console sales are nice earner for sure, but it's only a part of their revenue in this section of their business. And it's only possible through the efforts of the computer and Graphic divisions.

Lastly, DLSS. DLSS 2.0 isn't blurry and it's not affect by the scaler if you set the game resolution to the screens native resolution. What game were you playing and what screen were you using?

Of course i'm making it up, i'm speculating. Silly.

1.5bn in the first 2 moths of console sales, At $120 a pop why not? that's 13m units, how many Bulldozer based embedded servers did AMD sell in 2013, with a server market share of 1%?
How much was it in 2012?