AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[Twinz]

With the new GPU's from AMD and Nvidia, as well as new consoles coming soon, we'll soon see if *anyone* wants my money.

If they don't, fine. I'll sit on what I have or go used.

I don't get why so many people sound so powerless and seem to think these coroprations hold all the cards.

 

[Jay85]

I can't believe you are flat out accusing two US Corporations of a crime...

I'm fairly sure what's being said is that both companies hear things from within the industry that provides them with enough information about what the other has up their sleeve to guess at the performance of each other's next gen products.

You could call it industrial espionage if you want to but I think its more akin to people blabbing.

Won't be the first time its happened, they were both sued back in 2008 from what i remember for allegedly conspiring to price fixing or maybe its just a load of rubbish again and people wanting a slice

 

[FoxEye]

With the new GPU's from AMD and Nvidia, as well as new consoles coming soon, we'll soon see if *anyone* wants my money.

If they don't, fine. I'll sit on what I have or go used.

I don't get why so many people sound so powerless and seem to think these coroprations hold all the cards.

2nd hand GPU prices are literally insane.

They hold their value so well you can even get more when you sell than you paid brand new in the first place...

Don't expect the 2nd hand market to save us!

 

[five8five]

I'm fairly sure what's being said is that both companies hear things from within the industry that provides them with enough information about what the other has up their sleeve to guess at the performance of each other's next gen products.

You could call it industrial espionage if you want to but I think its more akin to people blabbing.

Both companies will have a department whose sole aim is to find out what the opposition is making or planning to make through contacts within those companies and external companies who work for / with them.
This will also involve pricing information. Just think who has access to proposed pricing - OEM GPU manufacturers, wholesalers, distributors, large retailers etc

 

[five8five]

Intel would like a word with you.

If Intel offered a viable alternative it could be different. Unfortunately it looks like they're a few years away from that.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

It's quite the spectacle to read such incredulousness that RDNA AKA Big Navi somehow, someway, must be a slow card.

Will it beat ampere? I really don't know. But it's exciting none the less. From the rumor so far regardless of where the actual performance may land it is going to be much faster than what we have now. Furthermore the increase in vram will be much needed as these open-world rt games become more prevalent. For the first time in a long time the consumer now has viable options. We don't need Intel.

For example if the prices of these new gpus aren't in line with consumer expectation there's console.

 

[FoxEye]

It's quite the spectacle to read such incredulousness that RDNA AKA Big Navi somehow, someway, must be a slow card.

Will it beat ampere? I really don't know. But it's exciting none the less. From the rumor so far regardless of where the actual performance may land it is going to be much faster than what we have now. Furthermore the increase in vram will be much needed as these open-world rt games become more prevalent. For the first time in a long time the consumer now has viable options. We don't need Intel.

For example if the prices of these new gpus aren't in line with consumer expectation there's console.

It won't beat Ampere unless nV's entire R&D team has spent all their time since Turing snorting crack off a lady of the night's bum.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

It won't beat Ampere unless nV's entire R&D team has spent all their time since Turing snorting crack off a lady of the night's bum.

But what if they have? Using one of his old jackets to cover it up.

 

[Stanners]

It's quite the spectacle to read such incredulousness that RDNA AKA Big Navi somehow, someway, must be a slow card.

Will it beat ampere? I really don't know. But it's exciting none the less. From the rumor so far regardless of where the actual performance may land it is going to be much faster than what we have now. Furthermore the increase in vram will be much needed as these open-world rt games become more prevalent. For the first time in a long time the consumer now has viable options. We don't need Intel.

For example if the prices of these new gpus aren't in line with consumer expectation there's console.

We have always had consoles, we hear this rhetoric every console release and nothing changes really. I try the consoles every cycle we go through and end up back on the PC as it just suits me better as I suspect a lot of others find also. No one is saying the card will be slow, just that we have heard it all before and refuse to buy a ticket for the hype train like some. Now I would love to see this beast of a card at a good price but again AMD have shown that if it performs that they will price it inline with the market(High end) as I would if it were my business. I am hoping they bring something to create competition and push performance for the money we pay, as sadly I do not think pricing is going to go backwards. Fingers crossed I am wrong!

 

[Twinz]

2nd hand GPU prices are literally insane.

They hold their value so well you can even get more when you sell than you paid brand new in the first place...

Don't expect the 2nd hand market to save us!

We don't need "saving" though. We don't *need* their GPU's. Like I said, if they don't want my money, that's fine.

 

[Twinz]

We have always had consoles, we hear this rhetoric every console release and nothing changes really. I try the consoles every cycle we go through and end up back on the PC as it just suits me better as I suspect a lot of others find also. No one is saying the card will be slow, just that we have heard it all before and refuse to buy a ticket for the hype train like some. Now I would love to see this beast of a card at a good price but again AMD have shown that if it performs that they will price it inline with the market(High end) as I would if it were my business. I am hoping they bring something to create competition and push performance for the money we pay, as sadly I do not think pricing is going to go backwards. Fingers crossed I am wrong!

I for one just need something to run high-resolution VR on driving sims. The new consoles may not be able to do it at the level I'm looking for, but if they can....I don't care. I will buy a console and put it on my desk next to my PC.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

We have always had consoles, we hear this rhetoric every console release and nothing changes really. I try the consoles every cycle we go through and end up back on the PC as it just suits me better as I suspect a lot of others find also. No one is saying the card will be slow, just that we have heard it all before and refuse to buy a ticket for the hype train like some. Now I would love to see this beast of a card at a good price but again AMD have shown that if it performs that they will price it inline with the market(High end) as I would if it were my business. I am hoping they bring something to create competition and push performance for the money we pay, as sadly I do not think pricing is going to go backwards. Fingers crossed I am wrong!

As it stands now and for a long time consoles have a larger piece of the market then PC. Its further worsen by the boom of the mobile market for gaming.

There was a time that the disparity in IQ between the 2 was obvious. Now, you need still, blown up images to make those same claims which were once obvious without doing that. Yet, the hardware is, at times, was at least 2x weaker. That's the direct result of software enginers innovating. Now we have console hardware that has reached parity with those same developers itching to bring that wow factor. We haven't seen change because we haven't factored in that weaker hw has brought us games that took a magnifying glass to distinguish.

As for RDNA 2 the rumors are that its upto 50% faster then 2080ti I certainly hope that's true. Perhaps some sort of lisa su edition who knows.
But imo we will all need to consider upgrading do to the shift in console directio...not PC. Which tells me who's in charge of the market

I hope to see a price war this go as I find it hard to believe that many on mass will pay another 1000 just for a gpu this time around.

 

[Bergkamp]

With the new GPU's from AMD and Nvidia, as well as new consoles coming soon, we'll soon see if *anyone* wants my money.

If they don't, fine. I'll sit on what I have or go used.

I don't get why so many people sound so powerless and seem to think these corporations hold all the cards.

This.

Unfortunately there are so many seemingly intelligent people with lots of expendable income that don't seem to grasp that they are causing a serious problem. For them it all boils down to being being able to wave their e-peens about, because having a grossly and offensively overpriced GPU apparently means something.

If only they realised that a GPU will NOT compensate for whatever it is they're lacking. If only they realised that if they all held onto their money for just a few months and caused tech companies to **** themselves when sales are only 10% or less of what they hoped, then they would oddly enough, DROP PRICES!

 

[humbug]

We have always had consoles, we hear this rhetoric every console release and nothing changes really. I try the consoles every cycle we go through and end up back on the PC as it just suits me better as I suspect a lot of others find also. No one is saying the card will be slow, just that we have heard it all before and refuse to buy a ticket for the hype train like some. Now I would love to see this beast of a card at a good price but again AMD have shown that if it performs that they will price it inline with the market(High end) as I would if it were my business. I am hoping they bring something to create competition and push performance for the money we pay, as sadly I do not think pricing is going to go backwards. Fingers crossed I am wrong!

The thing is if AMD are shoving an <RTX 2080TI in a console it does bode well for Desktop, i don't think AMD's fastest Desktop GPU will be hugely faster than that but same goes for Nvidia, +40% over 2080TI seems to be it for both.

 

[BS Dave]

Console RDNA 2 running mesh shaders vs 2080ti running conventional pipeline i can see 50% faster than a 2080ti

 

[FoxEye]

But what if they have? Using one of his old jackets to cover it up.

There is always that possibility

 

[BigBANGtheory]

Are these things still due for September? Gets a bit frustrating sometimes checking threads for any solid info and having to scrape through drivel it's the same every build up to a release

Need a worthwhile upgrade to my Vega 56 Pulse asap

There is no solid info. Come back in September.... there you have your answer.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Having said that i don't think AMD could replicate what they did to Intel in the GPU space, for a start the GPU space is entirely gamers, a lot of people still buy Intel CPU's because they offer 10% more FPS at 1080P with an RTX 2080TI, tho they are a tiny proportion overall even of the larger gaming world, people like me look at that 10% and think £280 vs £170..... yeah i don't even have a 2080TI and i don't game at 1080P.
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But with GPU's you're targeting these people that will pay 40%+ more for 10% more FPS.

Yeah pretty similar thoughts myself, would just add that this is where the blind ignorance or caveman processing where for generations now there is this whisper that gets retorted that 'if your a gamer, you only buy intel/nvidia'.

The logical and rational person in me refers to the underlined sections as this is fact and should be practiced by many a 'gamer' so they can channel more ££ into something that is useful to them like a decent headset or chair.

 

[gpuerrilla]

As for RDNA 2 the rumors are that its upto 50% faster then 2080ti I certainly hope that's true. Perhaps some sort of lisa su edition who knows.
But imo we will all need to consider upgrading do to the shift in console directio...not PC. Which tells me who's in charge of the market

Just pointing out something which is rare when it comes to AMD here.. due to the shrink in nano's they have staggered well with the power consumption - something nvidia normally have bragging rights over. Doubled over with the higher power draw this iteration for their new lineup (30x0), we might see a very tight battle when it comes to fps/watt/£. Where it gets ultra interesting is if they can clear the 2080Ti, for decent power draw AND price it at realistic levels, then its gonna be popcorn sold out.

 

[Jacky60]

I'm fairly sure what's being said is that both companies hear things from within the industry that provides them with enough information about what the other has up their sleeve to guess at the performance of each other's next gen products.

You could call it industrial espionage if you want to but I think its more akin to people blabbing.

It's in both their interests to keep prices high that's how cartels work. A quiet chat in a bar between 'friends' who both work in the industry for different 'sides' to get a ballpark idea of each other's performance. Its not espionage it's collusion with zero paper trail and inherently unprovable. How else would different architectures arrive at very similar performance/price. Huawei vs Apple in mobile phones demonstrates what happens when there isn't a gentleman's agreement with similar features for radically different prices. Having just two players makes it much easier.