AMD chasing their tails again if that's the case.Pretty obvious NVIDIA would want to be first to market so that they can charge £££££ up until AMD can launch their card. They want to further gouge their user base while they are able
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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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I don't think that AMD will be able to beat RTX 3080TI (I would love to be proved wrong), I think what they will bring to the table is a proposition that still is very compelling in terms of price/performance for those looking for an something just below the "high end" that NVIDIA will still be able to dominate and price accordingly.
AMD won't be first to market but to be honest it won't matter as many won't be willing to pay NVIDIA exorbitant prices and will be waiting to see what Big Navi has to offer, selling £1000 high end GFX cards is a niche market, the real money is lower down that stack due to the increased volume of sales.
Giving Nvidia a headstart isn't a good idea.
I feel if the performance is there (much better than Turing) Nvidia high-end cards will sell well.
You're correct, the high-end is a niche market and volume sales are lower down the product stack. Nvidia appears to be releasing brand new products top to bottom whereas it seems AMD are releasing two or possibly three Big Navi cards and respins further down. That's big advantage for Nvidia.
At the high end nobody seems to care about the price/performance, they will pay it seems almost anything!
I do agree that Nvidia seem to have lots more products, that might be confusing for the general consumer, AMD might actually be better having a simpler stack were price/performance is the clear differentiator.
I do agree that Nvidia seem to have lots more products, that might be confusing for the general consumer, AMD might actually be better having a simpler stack were price/performance is the clear differentiator.
It could be that AMD release their own cards first and delay AIB to market.
I don't think it's confusing with a full product release. Price and performance, that's all that needs to be looked at.
Respins using a different name with a small performance bump are more confusing.
We don't know how much better the new cards are. The only details we have are that 50% performance per watt and the actual statement is that AMD's RDNA 2 will have up to 50% more performance per watt. I have highlighted the "up to" as that could be just marketing speak. Remember the graph they showed before the release of Polaris that had some people thinking that the Rx 480 was going to be as fast as the 980Ti. The graph was right but only in a very specific scenario. So is it going to be the same this time? 50% performance per watt but only in an ideal situation?
You also have to remember that Nvidia was more power efficient on 12nm than AMD was on 7nm so Nvidia have more room to play with. And, unlike AMD, they have a die shrink to help them out this time around.
AMD are getting much better in regards to power efficiency. Which is good to see.
This is what they always do....
Indeed
Intel still wins in gaming with some skews, even if only by a tiny margin. -And Intel is also a "strong" company.
AMD didn't fix prices when their CPU's were way behind, and they're not doing it now, when they have parity.
AMD "can't afford" to overcharge for their GPU's. Nvidia can't afford to do so either. (Not indefinitely, at least)
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Fascinating. I can only hope that whatever new March they are adding to rdna 2 puts them ahead of the pack.
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From what people are saying, their RT performance is going to be like Turing, or even worse, as they havn't got dedicated HW for it, they're just using their streams
If thats the case, they're ******, as with the consoles having RT now, its going to be game after game after game coming with it
If thats the case, they're ******, as with the consoles having RT now, its going to be game after game after game coming with it
Oh im sure amd have hardware rt stuff they would have to have the tech if the consoles are gona have it. It probs even better than nvidia turing cores or whatever it was as they have had time to see nvidias implimentation and hopefully surpass it by now.
I didn't really pay attention to the turing launch, how long did it take for AIB's to release their cards after nvidia's founders?
Yeah, I think you could take the posts from 2013 before the previous consoles launched and post them here. They basically say the same thing. PC gaming dead, PC gaming is too expensive, AMD's going to dominate PC gaming because they are in both consoles. etc etc. None of this actually happened.
And the second part of your post is also true. Most people are hoping that AMD's big Navi is a success but most people aren't going to get excited until the cards are out.
Pricing can't go backwards, well, at least not to what it was 5 or 6 years ago. 28nm was optimal node for price/performance. I believe 16nm was 10x more expensive to design a chip than 28nm. 7nm is 3x more expensive again. These days every die shrink is more expensive than the last.
Last gens consoles were a historic low in terms of relative perf vs PC. Even at launch they were low-end compared to PC hardware. Using Jaguar APUs - nuff said.
Before PS4/XBO, consoles typically launched with what could be considered high-end PC components.
Before PS4/XBO, consoles typically launched with what could be considered high-end PC components.
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Ok, they just retested F1 2020 using Adrenaline 20.7.2 (from 20.7.1) and the results show a pretty drastic improvement at 1440p.
I wish I saved the old benchmark chart but for the 5700XT it was 111 or so if I recall correctly. Now it's a 121 FPS. That's 10 FPS bump with just the drivers!!!
And, a 5600Xt is on par with a 2060S/2070
. Outlier possibly but still wow none the less. Ok then, if RTG can dedicate bringing this kind of performance with RDNA 1. I now can see the possibility of double performance with RDNA 2!
This game was also updated however I don't recall the FPS before 20.7.2. However, it stands toe to toe with the 1080ti and 2070S. Leaving the 2070 in the dust by 17 FPS on average at 1440p.
Fascinating stuff to see proof of concept of how well RDNA 2 could perform. And here I thought 20.7.1 was good do to lower latency and FPS bumps here and there.
I wish I saved the old benchmark chart but for the 5700XT it was 111 or so if I recall correctly. Now it's a 121 FPS. That's 10 FPS bump with just the drivers!!!
And, a 5600Xt is on par with a 2060S/2070
. Outlier possibly but still wow none the less. Ok then, if RTG can dedicate bringing this kind of performance with RDNA 1. I now can see the possibility of double performance with RDNA 2!This game was also updated however I don't recall the FPS before 20.7.2. However, it stands toe to toe with the 1080ti and 2070S. Leaving the 2070 in the dust by 17 FPS on average at 1440p.
Fascinating stuff to see proof of concept of how well RDNA 2 could perform. And here I thought 20.7.1 was good do to lower latency and FPS bumps here and there.
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RDNA is still new and the more devs code for this the better it will come. Think of early GCN games then a driver came out and boosted the performance that is key code for game devs.
The fact RDNA is focused on gaming alone will be a big jump for RDNA 2. Vega has downsides that hurt performance that RDNA has fixed.
I believe RDNA 2 is the biggest threat to nvidia since 7970
The fact RDNA is focused on gaming alone will be a big jump for RDNA 2. Vega has downsides that hurt performance that RDNA has fixed.
I believe RDNA 2 is the biggest threat to nvidia since 7970
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