AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[gpuerrilla]

Too many uses of the word price there, my head is now melted.

 

[Joxeon]

So if the 4600, 4700X and 4900X launched at £250 £400 £500+ you would be ok with that?

 

[Illuminist]

So if the 4600, 3700X and 4900X launched at £250 £400 £500+ you would be ok with that?

Why not? Same price better performance. Unlike nvidia

 

[Joxeon]

Why not? Same price better performance. Unlike nvidia

It's not the same as the original 3000 series parts though.

 

[Twinz]

It's not the same as the original 3000 series parts though.

I bought my 3800X last summer, (because the 3700X's were out of stock and I was impatient) for $399. So the 4800X for $399 would be fine with me. Sure. The 4700X would need to be $329 and I would be fine with that too.

^ This all assumes a decent performance uplift. (not the tiny bump we got from the XT stuff)

 

[five8five]

I wouldn't be suprised if the zen 3 basic models launch at XT prices which would be a shame as a lot of people go for AMD because it's priced reasonably regardless of the performance.

I think they might even be slightly higher priced with the XTs dropping in price a little. AMD know they've got Intel on the ropes.

 

[Jacky60]

Are the CPUs supporting ray tracing now too? Way to go AMD!

 

[gpuerrilla]

Stirred up a hornets nest now..

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Ok, they just retested F1 2020 using Adrenaline 20.7.2 (from 20.7.1) and the results show a pretty drastic improvement at 1440p.


I wish I saved the old benchmark chart but for the 5700XT it was 111 or so if I recall correctly. Now it's a 121 FPS. That's 10 FPS bump with just the drivers!!!

And, a 5600Xt is on par with a 2060S/2070 . Outlier possibly but still wow none the less. Ok then, if RTG can dedicate bringing this kind of performance with RDNA 1. I now can see the possibility of double performance with RDNA 2!



This game was also updated however I don't recall the FPS before 20.7.2. However, it stands toe to toe with the 1080ti and 2070S. Leaving the 2070 in the dust by 17 FPS on average at 1440p.
Fascinating stuff to see proof of concept of how well RDNA 2 could perform. And here I thought 20.7.1 was good do to lower latency and FPS bumps here and there.

A re-test of RDR 2 again shows that the 5700 XT is on par with the 2070s.
And the 5700 beats a 1080ti at 1440p all using Driver 20.7.2. These are the drivers to get if you are RDNA1 user for the performance. Just over a month ago the 5700xt wasn't really a 2070s competitor. In the last few games tested using 20.7.2 it's now a 2070s competitor.

R7 beats the 2070s and nipping on the heals of the 2080. At 4k it's virtual tie between the 2.

However, this clearly demonstrates that RTG has honed in on the performance of RDNA 1 when some thought there was no other performance to be had as it wasn't GCN. Not only does this provide that view incorrect but shows that it's very probable that day 1 drivers for RDNA 2 will have a decent performance uplift over traditional RTG press release drivers (where we had to wait a few months).

We sometimes forget that although the hardware might be impressive it still takes the drivers to bring out what the hardware can do. I'm willing to assume that a good overclocked RDNA 2 card should yield on average 50%+ over the 2080ti if the drivers are preforming like 20.7.2 is with 5700xt.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Some of us want performance out of the box

Another point is the review sites and the bribed endorsers only test with the available drivers and sadly a few months down the line is often too late to turn any heads - just saying as its another reason why AMD would get overlooked unless you have built systems for a long time and actually know this is the case a lot of the time.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Some of us want performance out of the box

Another point is the review sites and the bribed endorsers only test with the available drivers and sadly a few months down the line is often too late to turn any heads - just saying as its another reason why AMD would get overlooked unless you have built systems for a long time and actually know this is the case a lot of the time.

It's RTG's job to develop those relations with those websites to get those reviews updated once they have drivers for it. We've seen it from Nvidia multiple times.
I'm glad they are finally doing it now.

Basic gameplay will be the same. You still need to cater the weakest platform.
Also, just having big worlds doesn't say much, it matters what you do in them, how the world feels, how it reacts to what you're doing.

Big open world games are plenty - although "big" can be relative. What you're able to do in them can be boring and mediocre at best.

Lets see what Sony says about that shell we?

Asked about this by Geoff Keighley in a recent DualSense livestream, marketing bigwig Eric Lempel explained: “A big pillar of our company is innovation: it’s a pillar of Sony Corporation and it’s also a pillar of the PlayStation company. We are always trying to push the boundaries of play – we want to excite gamers and deliver new experiences. In many cases, we can’t take everyone with us from previous consoles because you need new hardware and devices.”

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/202...ant_take_everyone_with_us_from_previous_gens+

Oh, so it won't "be the same"
I'm glad we got that cleared up by a higher up in Sony.

 

[five8five]

However, this clearly demonstrates that RTG has honed in on the performance of RDNA 1 when some thought there was no other performance to be had as it wasn't GCN. Not only does this provide that view incorrect but shows that it's very probable that day 1 drivers for RDNA 2 will have a decent performance uplift over traditional RTG press release drivers (where we had to wait a few months).

We sometimes forget that although the hardware might be impressive it still takes the drivers to bring out what the hardware can do. I'm willing to assume that a good overclocked RDNA 2 card should yield on average 50%+ over the 2080ti if the drivers are preforming like 20.7.2 is with 5700xt.

I think you're being overly optimistic considering AMD's track record with release drivers. They'll still need to be tailored to RDNA2 (ray tracing?).

The easy part is to improve driver performance a year down the line. The hard part is to deliver decent drivers on release day that show the cards in the best light. AMD seem to release "get them out the door drivers".

I'm also concerned about the timing. Nvidia will have big head start if the rumours are true and AMD will be under immense pressure to get the cards out the door as quickly as possible so could be more of the same.

Also, I'm sure AMD didn't originally plan on releasing a new GPU series at a similar time as a CPU series as it appears could happen. Resources could be stretched.

 

[JediFragger]

In the last few games tested using 20.7.2 it's now a 2070s competitor.

/strokes GamingX....

 

[Grim5]

Some of us want performance out of the box

As per recent rumours, it seems AMD doesn't start working on drivers until their brand new GPU line up is like 1 or 2 months from launch so yeah...

This is why it takes AMD a year after launch to unlock the performance you should get out of the box and fix all the black screen crashes

 

[EastCoastHandle]

I think you're being overly optimistic considering AMD's track record with release drivers. They'll still need to be tailored to RDNA2 (ray tracing?).

The easy part is to improve driver performance a year down the line. The hard part is to deliver decent drivers on release day that show the cards in the best light. AMD seem to release "get them out the door drivers".

I'm also concerned about the timing. Nvidia will have big head start if the rumours are true and AMD will be under immense pressure to get the cards out the door as quickly as possible so could be more of the same.

Also, I'm sure AMD didn't originally plan on releasing a new GPU series at a similar time as a CPU series as it appears could happen. Resources could be stretched.

I think you are being overtly pessimistic. The sky isn't falling here. RDNA 2 will provide performance well above what we see in the 5700xt and that's a win in my book.
Driver 20.7.2 has shown me the competence of the driver team providing performance well above what we would expect in their December driver releases.

Of course they will provide stable drivers on release. And to further add, will improve on it as time goes on. I'm addressing a specific aspect of RDNA that there was no room for improvement and what we were getting is all RNDA would deliver. As reviews have shown, since this is the 1st iteration of RDNA, performance is improving exponentially. And I expect the same with RDNA 2.

What we are seeing now is what I expected for a new Uarch. RDNA 2 won't be a complete redesign of RDNA1. So the assumption that they must start all over is simply a false one.

 

[five8five]

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/202...ant_take_everyone_with_us_from_previous_gens+

Oh, so it won't "be the same"
I'm glad we got that cleared up by a higher up in Sony.

I know you like consoles (understatement) but what have PS5 exclusive games got to do with PCs?

 

[five8five]

I think you are being overtly pessimistic. The sky isn't falling here. RDNA 2 will provide performance well above what we see in the 5700xt and that's a win in my book.
Driver 20.7.2 has shown me the competence of the driver team providing performance well above what we would expect in their December driver releases.

Of course they will provide stable drivers on release. And to further add, will improve on it as time goes on. I'm addressing a specific aspect of RDNA that there was no room for improvement and what we were getting is all RNDA would deliver. As reviews have shown, since this is the 1st iteration of RDNA, performance is improving exponentially. And I expect the same with RDNA 2.

What we are seeing now is what I expected for a new Uarch. RDNA 2 won't be a complete redesign of RDNA1. So the assumption that they must start all over is simply a false one.

Like I've said you're oversimplifying it. AMD will definitely be under pressure to get the cards out.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

I know you like consoles (understatement) but what have PS5 exclusive games got to do with PCs?

I've found those goal post you hide in the neighbors back yard. I take it yours has pink ribbons tied around it.

Like I've said you're oversimplifying it. AMD will definitely be under pressure to get the cards out.

This is a rumor thread. We don't need a thesis outlining a soliloquy debated by against known methodologies.

/strokes GamingX....

Isn't it grand?

Edit:
Here's a shocker, Halo Infinite demo was on a 4-6 month build using a PC.

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Which is what I've said before about these new console ports on PC with existing hardware. There is no way to avoid it. But on console that won't happen. If I were to get this on PC I would just deal with it.

 

[chris85oc]

I've found those goal post you hide in the neighbors back yard. I take it yours has pink ribbons tied around it.

This is a rumor thread. We don't need a thesis outlining a soliloquy debated by against known methodologies.



Isn't it grand?

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Here's a shocker, Halo Infinite demo was on a 4-6 month build using a PC.

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Which is what I've said before about these new console ports on PC with existing hardware. There is no way to avoid it. But on console that won't happen. If I were to get this on PC I would just deal with it.

The 4-6month old build is a rumor. Hasn't been confirmed by any official sources, just a french site talking about it. Also 4-6 month old build or not, graphics will still look like that at release, minor improvements notwithstanding. It's been 5 years in development. It won't suddenly look like a next-gen game with the added 6-8 months (adding in the case that the rumor is true, if not even less, 4 months or so? ). Everything is bad, starting with the models, materials and lighting. It would need at least another year to somewhat fix all that.

Also the last part doesn't make sense. They showcase games on pc because they look best on PCs due to more powerful hardware, why else would they do that? It's not like they didn't have an xbox series X console to showcase it on, now is it? They're microsoft after all. No need to make excuses for them.
If the game looked better on XSX they would have shown it on that. End of.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

The 4-6month old build is a rumor. Hasn't been confirmed by any official sources, just a french site talking about it. Also 4-6 month old build or not, graphics will still look like that at release, minor improvements notwithstanding. It's been 5 years in development. It won't suddenly look like a next-gen game with the added 6-8 months (adding in the case that the rumor is true, if not even less, 4 months or so? ). Everything is bad, starting with the models, materials and lighting. It would need at least another year to somewhat fix all that.

Also the last part doesn't make sense. They showcase games on pc because they look best on PCs due to more powerful hardware, why else would they do that? It's not like they didn't have an xbox series X console to showcase it on, now is it? They're microsoft after all. No need to make excuses for them.
If the game looked better on XSX they would have shown it on that. End of.

1st time?