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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Jacky60 said:
It's similar to children boasting about their father being better than someone else's dad or their football team doing better. It's an attempt to take credit for an event or state of affairs which they have literally zero useful involvement in.
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I see it more that someone is proud of what they have. I am always proud to buy my hardware, as I work hard and it is nice to treat myself to something I enjoy and felt I have earned.
 
EastCoastHandle said:
I seriously doubt a third of them would ever consider AMD to begin with.
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I never understand this kind of post. Look at the CPU side of things and Intel had dominated for eons, then Ryzen came along and people looked at the performance and price and went with Ryzen over Intel. Whilst AMD are not competitive against NVidia, they will lose out on sales but release a product that is faster and continue to do that and you will see people switching. PC geeks like me want fast for some apparent reason and will buy what fits the bill, regardless of who makes it.
 
EastCoastHandle said:
We are talking about those individuals willing to pay over $1200. Which is a minority, subsection of segregated users. Usually, they are in some form or fashion involved with Nvidia physically, mentally or emotionally. Which reinforces them to place a higher priority with Nvidia then most others who actually own a Nvidia card.

I don't consider them consumers as they show a lack of self preservation. Therefore, I don't see 1/3 of them going to AMD. One reason, for the 1st time since windows xp, they are said to actually update their GUI for the drivers. For such individuals pretty, pretty, shiney, shiney is too irresistible to pass up. Something I mentioned earlier.

Therefore, I am not saying there won't be a market shift in this duopoly if AMD does well. Many would consider them as long as they price their products according to current market trends. Trends that include consoles.
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Fair point and I see and mostly agree with your reasoning. I just see those who are happy to chuck £1200 at a GPU, will have no issue doing the same if AMD are leading the pack. That was basically my point. I also do feel that AMD consistently releasing cards that are faster than NVidia in each segmented price bracket would see a shift to AMD.
 
I am hoping that AMD have something that will compete. Not much in the form of rumors and I understand consoles are their main focus but hopefully not a bodge it and leg it GPU release like the last one.
 
I have been playing FS2020 and at 3440x1440 and it looks stunning at high settings. We are a long way off any card running it at 60+ fps 4K. The same was with FSX and how that was a single digit fps until a few ghen GPUs later.
 
I feel AMD was able to give Intel a spanking because Intel was drip feeding 10% gains each gen of release, which opened the door for AMD to take advantage but and I use the term loosely, I can't see NVidia making the same mistakes as Intel and allowing AMD in with a 3080 beater.... Or do you feel I am wrong on that?
 
I really do want to see AMD release a killer card this time. I just doubt it will happen, as Ryzen has been the priority. I have been wrong before though and a multi die would be awesome. Anyone like me who is an enthusiast should be hoping for a competitive AMD purely to drive our PC industry forward and keep prices a little more in check.
 
LePhuronn said:
And a 1660Ti was worlds better than the 2080 Ti's pricing, but that means nothing since we're talking about SKU-for-SKU comparisons. If you're hinging some kind of value argument on the 2nd tier SKU costing less than the top tier SKU then you're going to fall flat on your face.

It is literally this simple:
Top RTX Geforce SKU for Turing: 2080 Ti, £1,200+
Top RTX Geforece SKU for Ampere: 3090, £1,400+

Nvidia have successfully raised the price again.

2nd RTX Geforce SKU for Turing: 2080, £700
2nd RTX Geforece SKU for Ampere: 3080, £700 (lol OK)

Nvidia have held price, but that price is a carefully crafted lie. You cannot buy, nor will you realistically ever buy, a 3080 for less than £800, and those prices are set to increase again once Nvidia rescind their (alleged) initial AIB discount. So, Nvidia have successfully raised the price again, and this time actually managed to spin desire and hype into the mix to get people interested and get sales. A not-insignificant price increase and significantly bigger customer interest? Shareholders will be very happy indeed.


I genuinely don't know how you don't see this. It is clear as day, beyond obvious.
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Even I agree with this (rare I know) but the 3090 is the 2080Ti replacement card.
 
TNA said:
I like how you said even you agree with it :p

It obviously is. The guy also thinks the RTX 2060 is an high end card, so... lol.
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All the way back through history, the 60 series was a middle card. I got the 560 as I wasn't so flush with cash back then (both my daughters owned horses) at a reasonable £180 ish and I gamed happy as Larry. Not sure why I decided to go top line for a long time but even with my lack of common sense, I can't keep justifying paying £1400 and more each time. I still will say fair play to those that buy the 3090 though, as will most of us but clearly the 3090 is a replacement of the 2080Ti, as is the 3080 the replacement of the 2080 and so on....

Not even worth arguing over really and I guess people see it as they want but price wise, it is getting an expensive hobby for the top tier guys and the middle road peeps are also having to dig a lot deeper than normal.
 
EastCoastHandle said:
I have to wonder what the mood will be if these RDNA 2 skus beat Ampere. Then Nvidia releases counter skus (s/ti).

What do you do in such a scenario?
A. Buy RDNA 2
B. Sell your 3080/3090 so you can get Super TIs/RDNA 2
C. Defend the purchase
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Why would someone have to defend the purchase? Surely they bought 'X' GPU knowing that there could well be something faster coming. If I had got any of the 3 series, I would just enjoy it. Bit of a daft questionaire in truth!
 
TNA said:
Did you upgrade to a C9?

As far as I know not officially, but apparently there is a cru hack or something like that to make it work. I mean end of the day the tv is VRR and there is no module in there, so there is no reason apart from marketing that it should not work.
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Cheers and no, I have the older OLED but Mrs has allowed me the use of the spare room, so tempting to buy another when funds allow for a massive screen gaming room.
 
Howling said:
I believe LG have said "no" to Freesync on the C9.. I think they're using Freesync as leverage, like; "here, buy the CX instead - it has all the VRRs" :( Still sticking with my 65C9 though :D
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imginy said:
If you get a 3080 then you can use freesync or gsync.

I'm using freesync on my 3080 with my 2018 55" q8dn qled.
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Cheers guys and no rush for me, as funds need replenishing first but all info welcomed :)
 
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