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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Have you noticed how @Rroff is already talking about Big Navi as if what he says is fact? As if he's some sort of architecture expert and already understands it?

He's the only one in here not speculating. Like the rest of us he's doing a lot of guess work but the difference is he is pretending to know better than the rest of us.
 
Allnamestaken said:
Lmfao I was not expecting a debate when I opened this thread.
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Yep it's degenerated into inane playground bickering and petty 'point' scoring although there are no points to score. It's a lot to wade through to
find nuggets of interest. I looking forward to seeing how AMD implements it's version of ray tracing and how it stacks up to Nvidia's effort.
Clearly there's a long way to go before we have the power to show fully path traced scenes but just like all previous innovations we have to start somewhere
although historically one manufacturer didn't double the price of its top mainstream card for such a rudimentary first step with a new technology.
 
humbug said:
Have you noticed how @Rroff is already talking about Big Navi as if what he says is fact? As if he's some sort of architecture expert and already understands it?

He's the only one in here not speculating. Like the rest of us he's doing a lot of guess work but the difference is he is pretending to know better than the rest of us.
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I got bored of reading all the speculation - It is time for AMD to take my money.
 
Wrinkly said:
  • Game detail that has been released so far shows 1/4 resolution RT(1080p@4k).
  • Shared hardware between RT and raster. Do more of one, get worse at the other.
  • So far, no DLSS equivalent. 1/4 resolution RT looks like 1/4 resolution RT.
  • This is AMD's Gen 1. Don't let expectations get out of hand.
This doesn't make AMD's cards bad though. Most games will be fast moving so you won't notice lower res RT effects. Raster performance may be a lot better at lower resolutions than Nvidia's cards.
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Game detail fair enough, I don't know enough to argue this but do you have a source?
Shared hardware I understand too but we have no idea how efficient Navi 2X will be at handling this or how many CUs there are yet.
DLSS is only needed if performance isn't actualy there
Gen 1 is fine but I am pretty sure they will be held to high standards being that Sony and MS rely on this for at least 3-4 years for their consoles.

I am not trying to fight for one corner or the other because I genuinely don't know, I am just playing devil's advocate and pointing out things.
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
I get what you are saying here, but we have no way of knowing what has been added to the die of the Navi 2X cards and the die size is definitely big enough for it to be feasible that there is something to assist. AMD have always been good with overall compute and floating point too so raw throughput shouldn't be a problem. We will see I guess!

Overall RT is the future 100%, I just am not sure if the next year will see an explosion of games or if it's still lagging behind or not.
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Nah.. we just used stuff available from few sources. You can find details in prev posts, bit garbled.. so summary below:

Xbox can either do 4 texture or ray-box intersections per CU.. so big Navi with 80 CUs can do 704 giga ray-box intersections per second (peak) at 2.2Ghz

Now we assumed 40% allocation for ray tracing ops in peak real world operations (load balances to 60% for texture ops or 40% reduction in fps with RTX on).. that works out to 280 giga ray-box intersections per second

Nvidia on the other hand reports 10 gigarays/s for 3080..we have put that any where between 400-800 giga ray-box intersections per sec..

just connecting some dots for speculative desires :)
 
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Vince said:
I got bored of reading all the speculation - It is time for AMD to take my money.
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This has dragged out for much too long, the problem is AMD have got good at plunging their leaks and we don't really have anything that we can point to and say "this is obviously true"

RT performance will be lower than Nvidia's, Nvidia have dedicated a chunk of die space to it, we all know this, its ####'### obvious.
There is a theme with @Rroff he likes to paint himself as an expert, i called him out on his BS more than a year ago and he claims to have blocked me.

No one fall for his crap. Once he gets you to agree to something he starts chipping away at any mindshare value you hold to something that isn't Nvidia, that's what he's good at, and he is relentless.
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
The way the last few pages have spoken I honestly presumed it was a fact. It's weird, considering AMD have been working on it with Sony and Microsoft for years in the consoles I would expect it to be decent.
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If you've been reading tech news and forums posts for long enough you will quickly realise that in this industry: Everything is a fact until proven otherwise
 
So when can we reasonably expect decent leaks? It's almost 2 weeks until the launch and we don't have an solid leaks about much really. Aib partners must get the cards soon so they can slap stickers on them, surely
 
humbug said:
This has dragged out for much too long, the problem is AMD have got good at plunging their leaks and we don't really have anything that we can point to and say "this is obviously true"

RT performance will be lower than Nvidia's, Nvidia have dedicated a chunk of die space to it, we all know this, its ####'### obvious.
There is a theme with @Rroff he likes to paint himself as an expert, i called him out on his BS more than a year ago and he claims to have blocked me.

No one fall for his crap. Once he gets you to agree to something he starts chipping away at any mindshare value you hold to something that isn't Nvidia, that's what he's good at, and he is relentless.
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None of it matters I just take anything I read, pretty much, with a pinch of salt until I can either get an array of reviews or get my hands on it myself. Im not too worried about RT tbh, it doesn't matter to me like it might do somebody who is into all that. I don't really even need one I just want one to play with!
 
AMD's approach to RT is more than good enough, it will be better than Turing, AMD's weakness against Ampere will only matter when Nvidia pay developers to implement their Black Box version of it.

If i was AMD i would hard code my driver stack to block any Nvidia code in games, so it just doesn't work at all. Nvidia have a long history of adding Black Box code to games they sponsor which completely wrecks the performance on AMD's GPU's and the only way AMD are going to stop that from happening going forward is to treat Nvidia's code as a virus.
 
humbug said:
AMD's approach to RT is more than good enough, it will be better than Turing, AMD's weakness against Ampere will only matter when Nvidia pay developers to implement their Black Box version of it.

If i was AMD i would hard code my driver stack to block any Nvidia code in games, so it just doesn't work at all. Nvidia have a long history of adding Black Box code to games they sponsor which completely wrecks the performance on AMD's GPU's and the only way AMD are going to stop that from happening going forward is to treat Nvidia's code as a virus.
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Hold up, what happened to your 5700XT? Sold it? How comes you have a 2070S? :p
 
humbug said:
Because i can, and the cooler on the ASRock was annoying me.....
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Thought you fixed the cooler issue by undervaulting and it was awesome after you did? :p

Goes from months and months of praising his 5700XT purchase, defends it, then sells it and buys a 2070S. Too funny Humbug, too funny :D

@FloppyPoppy - You must have had a ball :P
 
DDH said:
Based on vested interests and cognitive dissonance
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There is certainly a lot of that in this thread - it might be a good idea to go back sometimes revisit past threads and see how wrong certain people were. There is having enthusiasm for a brand and/or new product and then what some people bring to these threads which is something else again and far more often likely to shoot the messenger when people say something they don't like than actually debate in good faith.
 
Do not insult other users.

TNA said:
Thought you fixed the cooler issue by undervaulting and it was awesome after you did? :p

Too funny Humbug, too funny :D
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Didn't stop the shroud from rattling, i prefer to have the 5700XT but AMD need to be a lot more stringent about quality controlling their AIB partners, like Nvidia do, unlike with Nvidia you cannot guarantee the coolers on AMD's AIB cards are good. THAT NEEDS FIXING AMD.

I like the 5700XT, it is a good GPU, the Drivers are much better than Nvidia's, but i don't like them with budget 2012 Coolers.

Sorry about snapping at you with the stupid because i can comment, i'm tired of explaining this.
 
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humbug said:
Didn't stop the shroud from rattling, i prefer to have the 5700XT but AMD need to be a lot more stringent about quality controlling their AIB partners, like Nvidia do, unlike with Nvidia you cannot guarantee the coolers on AMD's AIB cards is good. THAT NEEDS FIXING AMD.

I like the 5700XT, it is a good GPU, the Drivers are much better than Nvidia's, but i don't like them with budget 2012 Coolers.

Sorry about snapping at you with the stupid because i can comment, i'm tired of explaining this.
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No problem Humbug. Enjoy bud :D
 
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