AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

Dave2150 · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:03

humbug said:
Didn't stop the shroud from rattling, i prefer to have the 5700XT but AMD need to be a lot more stringent about quality controlling their AIB partners, like Nvidia do, unlike with Nvidia you cannot guarantee the coolers on AMD's AIB cards are good. THAT NEEDS FIXING AMD.

I like the 5700XT, it is a good GPU, the Drivers are much better than Nvidia's, but i don't like them with budget 2012 Coolers.

Sorry about snapping at you with the stupid because i can comment, i'm tired of explaining this.

Agree with this. The only good quality AMD cards the last few generations have been the official stock AMD ones. My Vega64 Liquid Edition and Radeon VII have beautiful build quality.

Fingers crossed big navi comes with stable drivers, they are the main thing holding AMD back IMO.

humbug · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:12

Dave2150 said:
Agree with this. The only good quality AMD cards the last few generations have been the official stock AMD ones. My Vega64 Liquid Edition and Radeon VII have beautiful build quality.

Fingers crossed big navi comes with stable drivers, they are the main thing holding AMD back IMO.

I had issues with AMD's drivers early on, 'for me' they had been solid in the last few generations, i understand that some people still have some weird issues, this has traditionally been a problem for AMD.

Avoiding daft puns its no better on the other side, i get UI corruption in Quixel Bridge, sometimes i get mouse lag in Cryengine and games don't feel quite as smooth as they did with the 5700XT.

KentMan · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:13

RBImGuy said:
Your wrong.
RT and AI dlss is absolutely worthless for buyers to decide upon.
Anyone with an understanding how the market works none buys based on a future maybe feature.
You always buy cards what you can use today without breaking the bank.
80% of all cards sold, that is 80% is below $250 and good luck giving them your advice and mess up their life with that advice.
You should go work for Jensen as he tells people they made enough cards when they and he lied about that.

Are you mental?

RT is going into the consoles, it will be in everything soon, yeah DLSS is a lot more proprietary, but the technology behind it is pretty sound, and i can see why it would be used. Hell i would use it if my AMD card supported it. You are correct about the low end, but DLSS is also a decent feature at the low end i would imagine, as you could potentially get a longer lease of life out of your card with this feature no?

humbug · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:19

KentMan said:
Are you mental?

RT is going into the consoles, it will be in everything soon, yeah DLSS is a lot more proprietary, but the technology behind it is pretty sound, and i can see why it would be used. Hell i would use it if my AMD card supported it. You are correct about the low end, but DLSS is also a decent feature at the low end i would imagine, as you could potentially get a longer lease of life out of your card with this feature no?

AMD's RIS is just about as good as DLSS2, Nvidia's "Global Sharpening" tool is a million miles from RIS, its complete crap in comparison, i think RIS does a lot more than just sharpen the image. I don't use Nvidia's Global Sharpening at all.

One of many things i miss about AMD's Drivers.

Vince · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:19

Th0nt said:
choo choooooo

It's in full chug! Everybody knows I don't buy team green in the desktop im like the inverse of @Roff. I'm not even going to try and make some vague convoluted story as to why they upset me some time back when a geforce 3 ti500 existed and it refused to play nice with my soundblaster extigy and kt333r chipset... in fact the card had some weird compatibility issue with the chipset and forced my move to nforce 3 on the abit nf7, it also forced my hand into the epic 9700pro on release day (remember that bad boy board?). If these deliver what we have seen so far its more than likely good enough for me to buy and play with one. It's my birthday next week so I have an excuse.

Nablaoperator · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:23

Vince said:
inverse of @Roff.

You will need tensor cores for inversions

Vince · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:24

Nablaoperator said:
You will need tensor cores for inversions

What you trying to say? you can do matix inversions in opencl.... plus it has the word matrix in it and we all know that makes it better. You can't argue with this kind of logic.

Rroff · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:27

Vince said:
It's in full chug! Everybody knows I don't buy team green in the desktop im like the inverse of @Roff. I'm not even going to try and make some vague convoluted story as to why they upset me some time back when a geforce 3 ti500 existed and it refused to play nice with my soundblaster extigy and kt333r chipset... in fact the card had some weird compatibility issue with the chipset and forced my move to nforce 3 on the abit nf7 (remember that bad boy board?). If these deliver what we have seen so far its more than likely good enough for me to buy and play with one. It's my birthday next week so I have an excuse.

Trying to remember what hardware I had when I had the GeForce 3 - must have been the 1.5GHz P4 I had for a bit.

Vince · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:28

Rroff said:
Trying to remember what hardware I had when I had the GeForce 3 - must have been the 1.5GHz P4 I had for a bit.

Yea if you were running a P4 during this time you were doing it wrong! AMD 1700+, then 2500+ barton with a balls to the wall overclock! I only ever owned one p4 and it never saw a system.

Nablaoperator · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:29

Vince said:
What you trying to say? you can do matix inversions in opencl.... plus it has the word matrix in it and we all know that makes it better. You can't argue with this kind of logic.

Attempted pun

Vince · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:30

Nablaoperator said:
Attempted pun

10/10 for effort

You only let yourself down on execution!

gpuerrilla · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:32

Vince said:
It's in full chug! Everybody knows I don't buy team green in the desktop im like the inverse of @Roff. I'm not even going to try and make some vague convoluted story as to why they upset me some time back when a geforce 3 ti500 existed and it refused to play nice with my soundblaster extigy and kt333r chipset... in fact the card had some weird compatibility issue with the chipset and forced my move to nforce 3 on the abit nf7, it also forced my hand into the epic 9700pro on release day (remember that bad boy board?). If these deliver what we have seen so far its more than likely good enough for me to buy and play with one. It's my birthday next week so I have an excuse.

You are a rare gem, thought I was the only one!

I do own a 1060 6Gb in my server right now and build plenty of machines for people to sample them so its my own preference. Also I like mining so different agenda's for me than pure gaming.

Rroff · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:34

Vince said:
Yea if you were running a P4 during this time you were doing it wrong! AMD 1700+, then 2500+ barton with a balls to the wall overclock!

IIRC those CPUs weren't release until just after the GeForce 3 was released - I had the 1.5GHz P4 initially then upgraded to a 2.4 then had a monster setup with the 3GHz w/ HT P4 on a DFI board.

gpuerrilla · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:34

Vince said:
Yea if you were running a P4 during this time you were doing it wrong! AMD 1700+, then 2500+ barton with a balls to the wall overclock! I only ever owned one p4 and it never saw a system.

Did you do the pencil trick in the Barton era? I also bought a mobile CPU as they could clock better!

I did get a C2D as I recall AMD being pants at some stage..

Vince · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:39

Rroff said:
IIRC those CPUs weren't release until just after the GeForce 3 was released - I had the 1.5GHz P4 initially then upgraded to a 2.4 then had a monster setup with the 3GHz w/ HT P4 on a DFI board.

The thunderbird 1700+ was Oct 2001

Geforce 3 ti 500 was February 27, 2001

Up until before that I had a p3 800 - The slot one. What a beast. Funny really as the p3 is technically the building blocks of Core and effectively the same stuff intel are still shipping out today

The p3 as well all know was far superior to the p4.

I also think I still have one of the last DFI boards laying about somewhere. I have a lanparty and also the nf7-s rev 2.0 (the legend) still in the loft somewhere.

Rroff · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:42

Th0nt said:
Did you do the pencil trick in the Barton era? I also bought a mobile CPU as they could clock better!

I did get a C2D as I recall AMD being pants at some stage..

AMD were pretty competitive until the Core 2 came along - we've not really seen a jump like that in CPUs since - it was literally like bringing alien tech in terms of the sophistication of the architecture and performance jump compared to what it replaced.

Vince said:
The thunderbird 1700+ was Oct 2001

Geforce 3 ti 500 was February 27, 2001

Up until before that I had a p3 800 - The slot one. What a beast. Funny really as the p3 is technically the building blocks of Core and effectively the same stuff intel are still shipping out today The p3 as well all know was far superior to the p4.

I also think I still have one of the last DFI boards laying about somewhere. I have a lanparty and also the nf7-s rev 2.0 (the legend) still in the loft somewhere.

No idea if it still works but I still have this stuff:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/32756876

They just don't make hardware these days I could get as excited about as when I built that system.

Vince · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:43

Th0nt said:
Did you do the pencil trick in the Barton era? I also bought a mobile CPU as they could clock better!

I did get a C2D as I recall AMD being pants at some stage..

I had the 2500 mobile also running faster than the 3400+ under water back then! That chip was legendary!

doody · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:45

humbug said:
Have you noticed how @Rroff is already talking about Big Navi as if what he says is fact? As if he's some sort of architecture expert and already understands it?

He's the only one in here not speculating. Like the rest of us he's doing a lot of guess work but the difference is he is pretending to know better than the rest of us.

Ye to many know all's on here

Vince · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:46

Rroff said:
AMD were pretty competitive until the Core 2 came along - we've not really seen a jump like that in CPUs since - it was literally like bringing alien tech in terms of the sophistication of the architecture and performance jump compared to what it replaced.

No idea if it still works but I still have this stuff:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/32756876

They just don't make hardware these days I could get as excited about as when I built that system.

Back in the days when you could happily get a board to fry everything

Seriously where are the likes of Abit and DFI... they were much cooler than the crap we get today.

gpuerrilla · 13 Oct 2020 at 12:46

Vince said:
The thunderbird 1700+ was Oct 2001

Geforce 3 ti 500 was February 27, 2001

Up until before that I had a p3 800 - The slot one. What a beast. Funny really as the p3 is technically the building blocks of Core and effectively the same stuff intel are still shipping out today The p3 as well all know was far superior to the p4.

I also think I still have one of the last DFI boards laying about somewhere. I have a lanparty and also the nf7-s rev 2.0 (the legend) still in the loft somewhere.

Yeah didnt they ditch the p4 and build again on p3?

I had a p3 800 too before I got the athlon.