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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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I'm pretty sure that the only reason that the 3080 was released on the GA102 die is that AMD said that from the outset that big navi was going to be a halo 4K product on advanced N7 node from TSMC and Nvidia pretty early on probably knew that they were going to be behind on die density with Samsung's 8nm node.

Otherwise Nvidia would have used the GA104 die for the 3080 and 3070 and the 3090 would have been the 2080ti replacement. So Nvidia purchasers can thank AMD for them being able to buy the 2080ti replacement pretty cheap in comparison.
 
two00lbwaster said:
I'm pretty sure that the only reason that the 3080 was released on the GA102 die is that AMD said that from the outset that big navi was going to be a halo 4K product on advanced N7 node from TSMC and Nvidia pretty early on probably knew that they were going to be behind on die density with Samsung's 8nm node.

Otherwise Nvidia would have used the GA104 die for the 3080 and 3070 and the 3090 would have been the 2080ti replacement. So Nvidia purchasers can thank AMD for them being able to buy the 2080ti replacement pretty cheap in comparison.
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This is very plausible, but it's also plausible that Nvidia's experiment at scalping their own $700 2080Ti for $1200 didn't work out for them as well as they had hoped.

Making a little money a gazillion times is often better than making a lot of money a few times.

Although, the way they blew out the power on Ampere does point to some level of "fear" on their part. They appear to be trying very hard.
 
Twinz said:
Maybe you missed the point of *my* post?

The 780Ti, 980Ti, and 1080Ti all offered a decent uplift over previous gen with out the ridiculous price increase the 2080Ti brought.

The 2080Ti was not just the same old "high-end stuff is expensive" offering. It was a rip-off.

danlightbulb's chart:
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The nvidia ballers tend to not read the information posted particularly in this thread as they put on blinkers and troll out posts while in queue for their 3080.

Anyone engaging half their brain will know that the Turing stack particularly above the 2070 was a rip off. What is the laugh or the 'joke' is when nvidia return back the the regular price the cards were releasing for (thank you very much for @danlightbulb excellent chart), they hail the new lord and thank Jesus Jensen for offering amazing prices and whip out the credit cards and form an orderly queue - now that is comical. The only reason the 3080 is was £649 is due to AMD with the consoles and the inbound RDNA2 lineup, they are now more than that, around £800. End of story.
 
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AMD is about to have a field day soon.
Big Navi beating the 3070 senseless and matching 3080 at $550 (of whatever it be priced) or such makes the logical choice to upgrade to.
Not only that the emotional choice to as combining big navi with zen 3 makes for an amazing gaming set up.
I feel you guys will have the best stuff from amd in a singel month to be the go to choice for hardware.

Looks like a Nvidia killer to me
 
two00lbwaster said:
I'm pretty sure that the only reason that the 3080 was released on the GA102 die is that AMD said that from the outset that big navi was going to be a halo 4K product on advanced N7 node from TSMC and Nvidia pretty early on probably knew that they were going to be behind on die density with Samsung's 8nm node.

Otherwise Nvidia would have used the GA104 die for the 3080 and 3070 and the 3090 would have been the 2080ti replacement. So Nvidia purchasers can thank AMD for them being able to buy the 2080ti replacement pretty cheap in comparison.
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Th0nt said:
The nvidia ballers tend to not read the information posted particularly in this thread as they put on blinkers and troll out posts while in queue for their 3080.

Anyone engaging half their brain will know that the Turing stack particularly above the 2070 was a rip off. What is the laugh or the 'joke' is when nvidia return back the the regular price the cards were releasing for (thank you very much for @danlightbulb excellent chart), they hail the new lord and thank Jesus Jensen for offering amazing prices and whip out the credit cards and form an orderly queue - now that is comical. The only reason the 3080 is was £649 is due to AMD with the consoles and the inbound RDNA2 lineup, they are now more than that, around £800. End of story.
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This is better then scifi. And I thought Avatar 2 was going to be good.

:D
 
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Th0nt said:
The nvidia ballers tend to not read the information posted particularly in this thread as they put on blinkers and troll out posts while in queue for their 3080.

Anyone engaging half their brain will know that the Turing stack particularly above the 2070 was a rip off. What is the laugh or the 'joke' is when nvidia return back the the regular price the cards were releasing for (thank you very much for @danlightbulb excellent chart), they hail the new lord and thank Jesus Jensen for offering amazing prices and whip out the credit cards and form an orderly queue - now that is comical. The only reason the 3080 is was £649 is due to AMD with the consoles and the inbound RDNA2 lineup, they are now more than that, around £800. End of story.
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It's almost like Nvidia was going to make a small Intel-like improvement over Turing and let the return to sanity on pricing sell the cards. -But then AMD looked like they would compete and Nvidia had to factory-overclock the crap out of them.
 
4k4uNuNu said:
No kidding, 2080ti owners in particular got shafted hard, less than two years after giving them over a grand. This launch has been beyond disastrous, even when you consider the pandemic.
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Yeah I can't complain *too* much as I sold my Ti for pretty much what I paid for it before the 3000-series launched and got a 5700XT GamingX for a really good price. The problem lies when I switched to a gigantic 4k/144hz screen and the XT struggles to give me high fps sometimes (but tbf it's handling it well at reduced settings). It'd be absolutely fine for a normal PC gamer but I just want a little more frames now :D

I'm gonna wait to see what AMD brings to the table :)
 
Twinz said:
It's almost like Nvidia was going to make a small Intel-like improvement over Turing and let the return to sanity on pricing sell the cards. -But then AMD looked like they would compete and Nvidia had to factory-overclock the crap out of them.
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That's pretty much it as these cards can run efficiently at around 250w and not lose to much performance but nvidia obviously thought they needed eek out that extra bit of performance.
 
Twinz said:
Heck, using the goldfish approach, all Nvidia needs to do to make the 3090 a good value is raise the price of the 3080 to $1399.
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Lol wut?

I will try to provide a general framework
  1. What do you consider as an upgrade? (example, atleast 30pc faster than my current setup)
  2. What'd be available in the decision horizon that meets above criteria? (2080ti, 3080, 3090, Big Navi)
  3. What's the price vs time trade-off (example, $$$ spent vs time lost not enjoying the upgrade)
Now what'd you have done if the cheapest upgrade option was $1699, looked at past performance charts and wasted 2 more years (of your finite life) with lower perf? Do those past generational change metrics even matter.

Feel free to thank me later..
 
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But then AMD looked like they would compete and Nvidia had to factory-overclock the crap out of them.
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