Never been a fan of Turing - one of the reasons I've stuck with my 1070 as I'm loath to give nVidia money for one.
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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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Never been a fan of Turing - one of the reasons I've stuck with my 1070 as I'm loath to give nVidia money for one.
It just needs to be within 10% and a reasonable price and they will pick up a lot of Nvidia potential customers so long as the price is also good.
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I skim read the magazine article and I don't think it says that at all but it does refer to the technical partnership with Nvidia. It also mentions raytracing being built into the engine.
Yes it is.
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btw RT was slapped on recently in Cyperpunk
Well it might exist, it's just we are all too cheap to actually buy the magazine to check what they actually said!
Reminds me a bit of how when MSFS2020 VR mode was announced all the media outlets misinterpreted what they said and claimed it was a Reverb G2 exclusive, when in fact it was just that they were starting with WMR (of which the G2 is but one of many) and adding other formats later. Misunderstandings happen, could well be the case here but unless we see the quote they are referring to it's hard to say for sure.
Mag isn't available yet
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100% on this, it's all academic if they dont have any to buy until 2021... I've got some serious gaming planned this Xmas hahaha
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My worry is now though, once Big Navi is released, loads of the nVidia people on back order will go sod this, cancel and move to AMD, leaving the people like myself who were only probably goign to buy AMD really (not a fanboy I just like them, simple), with low stocks and then we have that backlog problem again...
... it wouldn't surprise me if AMD come out with a 3080 equivalent or better for less money that 25% at least of all potential 3000 series owners would cancel and then get orders in and we'll be in the same scenario of no supply and then that reflects on AMD lol... AMD will never win this no matter other than they could have the fastest card, but as we know from nVidia, it means nothing without hardware out in circulation.
I wouldn't blame people either if they had orders in for 3000 series then see a cheaper adnd better options, I'd do the same, but this in itself could cause AMD a right headache... where's as if EVERY single person who orders a 3000 series had them in their rigs now, we'd be looking at 10's of thousands of people already with their cards! AMD may ultimatley be happy as they'd see people swicthing to them... BUT if they don't get supplies right themselves, this could cause another disaster!
I was amzed the other day, was watching Linus doing his SLI build and ASUS wanted that 3090 back so don't even take the stickies off it... wow, you know there's a supply issue when ASUS want their card back from a top reviewer?
... it wouldn't surprise me if AMD come out with a 3080 equivalent or better for less money that 25% at least of all potential 3000 series owners would cancel and then get orders in and we'll be in the same scenario of no supply and then that reflects on AMD lol... AMD will never win this no matter other than they could have the fastest card, but as we know from nVidia, it means nothing without hardware out in circulation.
I wouldn't blame people either if they had orders in for 3000 series then see a cheaper adnd better options, I'd do the same, but this in itself could cause AMD a right headache... where's as if EVERY single person who orders a 3000 series had them in their rigs now, we'd be looking at 10's of thousands of people already with their cards! AMD may ultimatley be happy as they'd see people swicthing to them... BUT if they don't get supplies right themselves, this could cause another disaster!
I was amzed the other day, was watching Linus doing his SLI build and ASUS wanted that 3090 back so don't even take the stickies off it... wow, you know there's a supply issue when ASUS want their card back from a top reviewer?
Unless of course AMD actually have enough stock for everyone, apparently they've been stockpiling for a while so they've got a lot of stock.
How do they go about this though? Obviously they can limit the sales on their own web shop but as we have seen with the Nvidia launch, retailers seem to be taking whatever orders they want... Rather than matching them up with any kind of allocation they are to receive.
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Right now, with a launch 8 days away (and although we don't know the hard launch date, maybe it is only 3 weeks away), there should be thousands of cards manufactured, in warehouses, ready to ship. There should be thousands more being made every week. Where are the stories? Where are the leaks? You have production lines in almost third world counties, you have parts being shipped from suppliers by ricketty transit vans all over the place. Where are the photos, where is the snippets?
This is what I really don't get. Either they have managed to keep it very tight somehow, or they haven't made a single one yet. If the latter, then we're screwed.
Although Facebook/Oculus managed the former - they managed to hold in all this supply chain until only a day or two before the reveal, and they had units ready to ship worldwide at that point. So it can be done.
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Probably a case of hundred here or there being available and also NDA. Some time later the card will represent revenue not just headlines. For the mainstream the console releases are more relevant to game development vs spec.
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AMD does not want Radeon RX 6000 series to be sold to scalpers
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-issues-guidelines-to-retailers-to-prevent-radeon-rx-6000-scalping
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-issues-guidelines-to-retailers-to-prevent-radeon-rx-6000-scalping
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AMD is coming from a marginal market share position to be building that kind of speculative inventory.. let's be realistic here and hope that gsync works it's magic
My balanced opinion.. this might be a **** year for gamers
In theory they could have had the PCBs produced ahead of time (usually a certain amount of this happens anyhow), stockpiled cores and VRAM ready for a final push - it is weird how quiet it has been on that front though - information from certain leakers is only starting to trickle through now which suggests it has only just started moving.
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LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLadies and Gentlemen............, Ahh **** it 
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If you're going to pre-order a card purely based on Uncle Jensen's marketing numbers then I really doubt you're interested in an AMD product. Unless Big Navi soundly beats Ampere at every tier and in every metric for a chunk less money, I don't see many people cancelling their Ampere orders. Because even if AMD offer the superior product at a cheaper price, AMD drivers suck, can't do DLSS and Nvidia has the superior software stack /s
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well good on AMD for learning some lessons at least so far. They still need the stock to back it up though.
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If I still don't have a 3080 by the time the AMD cards are available, AMD only needs to be close to the 3080 in traditional rasterization (and a little cheaper) for me to buy the AMD card.
I see what you are doing here.. clever!
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I can see you being a rarity
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