AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

pugheaven · 20 Oct 2020 at 14:47

8 more days and we'll all know whether it was worth the wait, I believe it will be but it's gonna go one fo three ways, based on I believe people comparing to 3080 which lets be honest is the benchmark... so it's gonna be slower, about the same or faster. If it's one of the latter two we'll all be happy as we all want AMD to beat nVidia and if not, why are you in an AMD thread... if it's the former BUT cheaper and only 10% slower, I think we'll be happy lol... so see some sort of win win. Lisa Su ain't daft, if it's slower it'll be priced accordingly... if it's the same, it'll be interesting to see how much they undercut nVidia... and if they EVEN uindercut, they may well go hey, we're notw the best, and whack another £75 rips onto the RRP. I doubt it... but they do want to get away from the "also ran" and "cheaper" version tag... hence the change with Ryzen 5000 series costing more and rightly so, they've put a lot of R&D into this. However, to get people to switch they DO NEED to come in cheaper than 3080 for the same performance... or they could miss this once in a lifetime opportunity as nVidia will NOT make this mistake again....

gpuerrilla · 20 Oct 2020 at 14:57

Richdog said:
I think, considering that all new upcoming GPU's from AMD and Nvidia support RTX, that it will no longer be much of a buying criteria.

Well being pedantic, the person listed games currently available, so that would mean having a GPU running along the year 2020 also, which if I was buying would mean I still would not look at this list and think yeah I will get a raytracing capable card to play these on... but yes I agree for games releasing in 2021 its not really a consideration for the new gen GPU's.

gpuerrilla · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:03

pugheaven said:
However, to get people to switch they DO NEED to come in cheaper than 3080 for the same performance... or they could miss this once in a lifetime opportunity as nVidia will NOT make this mistake again....

I think most people with grab the non XT version which will sit between a 3070 and 3080, or the regular XT version that is about the same as a 3080. These will be priced well (fingers crossed). The card that will be showcased next week with the power and clocks ramped to compete will likely be either hard to get or over £800 (or both). I wont be picking up any top card as its just too much to justify.

The key is really will they have them in stock and will they limit buyers so we avoid the car crash that was nvidia release?

KentMan · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:03

WoW Shadowlands also has Ray Traced shadows

gpuerrilla · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:05

Also a game bundle or new AC game with purchase would be great!

Rroff · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:23

Th0nt said:
I must be one of the few that pointed this out before rroff explains a wall of text that doesnt justify it in any capacity. We have now after 50+ pages and two weeks moved on to now agreeing that it takes a 3080 to run any of these games with acceptable playability. So thus the elephant is in the room. Why have people invested in 2060-2080 cards (most of their stack) only to realise they cant actually use RTX and now they have to upgrade again?

Just a sensible observation as quite clearly those of us who held off from all the hype, promises and garbage didnt miss out on anything. Now we have experts commenting on consoles and big navi cards that are not even out to play on, if you think tuber videos with 'sources' are the new tea-leaf readers, you should take a look at some forum posts with just as much garbage in them.

I did say a long time back only the 2080ti from the 2000 series stack had any longer term RT viability and even then it would mean running lower resolution quite quickly if games actually supported a decent feature set of RT:

Rroff said:
As far as buying Turing for future proofing that is pretty LOL only the 2080ti has anything like feasible performance and even that will quickly fade compared to next gen hardware
...

jonneymendoza · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:24

HeX said:
Control is the only RT game I've been bothered about.

Cyberpunk 2077 is the next big release that most folks are bothered about that implements it.

ANd even cyperpunk only added it recently. i remembered i asked if the game will have RT at the begining of this year only and the answer at the time was NO

EastCoastHandle · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:27

It's that piecemealed elements of Ray tracing in certain games is what turns me off. None of those games mention have I ever had the need to want to see it ray-traced.

Its still in gimmick phase. Someone mentioned...until developers use it all the time. However, that's many years from now if ever. In my opinion the potential is there that this might go away.

jonneymendoza · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:28

Th0nt said:
Well being pedantic, the person listed games currently available, so that would mean having a GPU running along the year 2020 also, which if I was buying would mean I still would not look at this list and think yeah I will get a raytracing capable card to play these on... but yes I agree for games releasing in 2021 its not really a consideration for the new gen GPU's.

OK another qustion, besides cyperpunk. what other exciting RT games are coming out in 2021?

I would say SQ42 as one.

THe next PES 2021 AND FIFA?

TrM · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:31

jonneymendoza said:
OK another qustion, besides cyperpunk. what other exciting RT games are coming out in 2021?

I would say SQ42 as one.

THe next PES 2021 AND FIFA?

watch dogs will have rt in a couple of week the launch not really 2021 but stilll

jonneymendoza · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:33

TrM said:
watch dogs will have rt in a couple of week the launch not really 2021 but stilll

Cool

THat game looks rubbish tbh. The new assasins creed looks cool

EastCoastHandle · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:37

jonneymendoza said:
Cool

THat game looks rubbish tbh. The new assasins creed looks cool

Haha
That's not the first time I've read that whenever someone mentions a game using Ray tracing. Ray tracing doesn't make the game fun to play.

LoadsaMoney · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:43

DDH said:
Why do you keep repeating this when it is complete bull****

The nextfen consoles will get the updated RT version of CP2077 next year. Rdna2 desktop cards will run RT CP2077 from day 1

No it isn't, its been confirmed by CD Projekt RED.

AMD customers will likely be served later. CD Projekt RED has confirmed that Cyberpunk 2077’s ray tracing capabilities will only be available on the Nvidia graphics card at launch.

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2085...e-available-on-nvidia-graphics-card-at-launch

Richdog · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:46

LoadsaMoney said:
No it isn't, its been confirmed by CD Projekt RED.

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2085...e-available-on-nvidia-graphics-card-at-launch

Maybe I am going blind but I can't see the specific statement directly from CDPR confirming this, can you please link me to it?

Zeeflyboy · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:47

I prefer Tray Racing

jonneymendoza said:
I would say SQ42 as one.

While I wouldn't write it off because scope creep is pretty much the name of the game there, unless something has changed recently they said they weren't looking to add RT at this time to SQ42 or Star Citizen.

gpuerrilla · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:51

Rroff said:
I did say a long time back only the 2080ti from the 2000 series stack had any longer term RT viability and even then it would mean running lower resolution quite quickly if games actually supported a decent feature set of RT:

You would be excused then Sir Rroff. The post wasnt aimed at you directly by the way as there are dozens of people that would fall into that category, where I mentioned you, I was referencing the technology and expanding on why its great.. (when I am not disagreeing that it is handy, but where you factor in then all the cards below the 2080Ti its pointless stating how good the technology is as again were back to the 3080 hardware being required).

413x · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:53

With all the chaos around this I've just decided not to bother getting one of these cards.

Not sure if I really needed it anyway.
Was looking at the 3070 prices. No thanks.

Might see if I can pick up a 1080 maybe.

gpuerrilla · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:54

jonneymendoza said:
OK another qustion, besides cyperpunk. what other exciting RT games are coming out in 2021?

Not sure as I would only worry about that once I had the capable hardware. I intend to buy this gen early on as I have said before I usually bought a card around a year after its release as it would be on offers/cheaper.

DDH · 20 Oct 2020 at 16:20

Richdog said:
Maybe I am going blind but I can't see the specific statement directly from CDPR confirming this, can you please link me to it?

Doesn't exist

Zeeflyboy · 20 Oct 2020 at 16:22

DDH said:
Doesn't exist

Well it might exist, it's just we are all too cheap to actually buy the magazine to check what they actually said!

Reminds me a bit of how when MSFS2020 VR mode was announced all the media outlets misinterpreted what they said and claimed it was a Reverb G2 exclusive, when in fact it was just that they were starting with WMR (of which the G2 is but one of many) and adding other formats later. Misunderstandings happen, could well be the case here but unless we see the quote they are referring to it's hard to say for sure.