AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[Bluntwrapped]

Did you see the video Rroff posted on one of the threads about what Jensen said, maybe he post it.

I haven’t seen it. What’s he saying now?

 

[4K8KW10]

i guess, though with a top end card the market is small compared with the mainstream one, cant imagine the margins being that huge that makes amd big money.maybe i under estimate the margins of flagship cards, with exception of nvidia flagships of 1500 quid

The thing is there are still remnants of the GPP and MSI christened Radeons MECH editions resembling the negative "meh" when your are frustrated or disgusted by something.

Nvidia price gouging is AMD's fault? You really need to stop that rhetoric. But as I replied to danlightbulb, Turing wasn't a one-off. Nvidia have been doing this since Kepler into Maxwell, and ATI were very competitive then.

770: $399
970: $349
1070: $450
2070: $599

All of those increases are way above inflation and massively shift the cost of the 70 class cards upwards. Ampere won't be any different because the MSRP is a marketing lie.

RTX 3070: $499 with RTX 2080 Ti 11GB performance but coming with 8GB VRAM only.
We shall see.

 

[otester]

It's certainly come across that way. If not, don't open the door

I'm just simply explaining the unfortunately reality we face, I do also wonder how much the patent system has curbed competition.

 

[elroberto]

The thing is there are still remnants of the GPP and MSI christened Radeons MECH editions resembling the negative "meh" when your are frustrated or disgusted by something.



RTX 3070: $499 with RTX 2080 Ti 11GB performance but coming with 8GB VRAM only.
We shall see.

If only it would become available at that price. It really would be the ideal card for me.

 

[DDH]

The thing is there are still remnants of the GPP and MSI christened Radeons MECH editions resembling the negative "meh" when your are frustrated or disgusted by something.



RTX 3070: $499 with RTX 2080 Ti 11GB performance but coming with 8GB VRAM only.
We shall see.

If AMD release a 6800 with 2080ti +10% performance with 16gb ram for 550 the 3070 is doa

 

[docsonic]

Train picks up speed?

 

[gpuerrilla]

I am actually on a used 270X right now while I wait for the 3080 (sold my 1080Ti ~month ago), after seeing they explicitly fixed the dual monitor black screen bug, haven't had any issues so far, so I would recommend them for gaming, but for my use case I use a lot of Nvidia-only features like CUDA and I've found the Nvidia settings to be better eg: when changing color settings ingame.

The only way AMD can lure me to cancel the 3080 and get a 6900 is if the price/performance ratio is very favorable.

Fair play. You dont have to go AMD. Some people lock themselves into the other features, but thats not anyone else's fault. I was tempted on the 3080, will see what AMD can release as they too need to make them available and not make that mistake.

 

[Nablaoperator]

Again from Patrick:

"The 3070 has only 8,749 points in FireStrike Ultra? Goodbye 3070! The Navi 21 XT has more than 10,000 points"

https://mobile.twitter.com/patrickschur_/status/1319221360867086336

That's like 3080 in DX11 atleast.

Some more tidbits from kopite in response to Patrick:

"Even in August, 10000+pts FSU is easy for NAVI21."

https://mobile.twitter.com/kopite7kimi/status/1319227144992677889

Seems to be more in the tank from DX11 perspective (for launch day drivers)

 

[gpuerrilla]

I am behind in some regards, but why is DX11 used if DX12 has been out for ages? Arent the new gen cards targeting DX12 to squeeze out new features and performance?

*ed

Yep just checked the box on my Vega card "DirectX12 Optimised"

 

[queamin]

I haven’t seen it. What’s he saying now?

He was happy with the amount of cards launch.

 

[4K8KW10]

If AMD release a 6800 with 2080ti +10% performance with 16gb ram for 550 the 3070 is doa

Nvidia can adjust the price in the south direction.

Some more titbits from kopite in response to Patrick:

"Even in August, 10000+pts FSU is easy for NAVI21."

https://mobile.twitter.com/kopite7kimi/status/1319227144992677889

Seems to be more in the tank from DX11 perspective (for launch day drivers)

10,000 is a bit low, let's hope it's 13,000+...

 

[queamin]

If AMD release a 6800 with 2080ti +10% performance with 16gb ram for 550 the 3070 is doa

Even I would spend £550 on that and I have never bought a Gpu over £270.

 

[five8five]

Nvidia price gouging is AMD's fault? You really need to stop that rhetoric. But as I replied to danlightbulb, Turing wasn't a one-off. Nvidia have been doing this since Kepler into Maxwell, and ATI were very competitive then.

770: $399
970: $349 $329
1070: $450 $379
2070: $599

All of those increases are way above inflation and massively shift the cost of the 70 class cards upwards. Ampere won't be any different because the MSRP is a marketing lie.

Couple of those prices are way off.
970 $329
1070 $379

The value of the pound meant 970s could be had for £270ish, good times.

 

[Dontrocktheboat]

I am behind in some regards, but why is DX11 used if DX12 has been out for ages? Arent the new gen cards targeting DX12 to squeeze out new features and performance?

*ed

Yep just checked the box on my Vega card "DirectX12 Optimised"

Probably still working on the old Directx12 optimisation, cough, cough.
Its should only take two weeks to get RT and Directx12 optimized for navi.

 

[4K8KW10]

Couple of those prices are way off.
970 $329
1070 $379

The value of the pound meant 970s could be had for £270ish, good times.

GTX 770 -399$ May 2013 100% https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-770.c1856
GTX 970 -329$ September 2014 143%
GTX 1070 -379$ June 2016 209%
RTX 2070 -499$ October 2018 287%
RTX 3070 -499$ October 2020 395%

 

[Nablaoperator]

Again from Patrick:

"The 3070 has only 8,749 points in FireStrike Ultra? Goodbye 3070! The Navi 21 XT has more than 10,000 points"

https://mobile.twitter.com/patrickschur_/status/1319221360867086336

That's like 3080 in DX11 atleast.

Some more tidbits from kopite in response to Patrick:

"Even in August, 10000+pts FSU is easy for NAVI21."

https://mobile.twitter.com/kopite7kimi/status/1319227144992677889

Seems to be more in the tank from DX11 perspective (for launch day drivers)

ANALysis paralysis time, for perspective:
3080 is 76% faster than 5700xt at FSU
3080 is 91% faster than 5700xt at TSpy (DX 12)


https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_rtx_3080_founder_review,27.html

Edit: updated tspy graphics score .. looking for inputs from benchmarking experts

 

[4K8KW10]

ANALysis paralysis time, for perspective:
3080 is 76% faster than 5700xt at FSU
3080 is 59% faster than 5700xt at TSpy (DX 12)

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_rtx_3080_founder_review,27.html

Low target. Fixed it for you:

3090 is 104% faster than 5700xt at FSU
3090 is 77% faster than 5700xt at TSpy (DX 12)
3090 is 116% faster than 5700xt at TSpy Graphics score

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_rtx_3090_founder_review,27.html

 

[gpuerrilla]

GTX 770 -399$ May 2013 100% https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-770.c1856
GTX 970 -329$ September 2014 143%
GTX 1070 -379$ June 2016 209%
RTX 2070 -499$ October 2018 287%
RTX 3070 -499$ October 2020 395%

So yeah mammoth increases then.

 

[Nablaoperator]

Low target. Fixed it for you:

3090 is 104% faster than 5700xt at FSU
3090 is 77% faster than 5700xt at TSpy (DX 12)
3090 is 116% faster than 5700xt at TSpy Graphics score

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_rtx_3090_founder_review,27.html

Yup I updated that as well, seems like navi 10 regressed relatively at DX 12

 

[Bluntwrapped]

What Lisa Su wants to be doing is trolling us into thinking there’s multiple cards coming when in fact theres only one card - it costs £450 and ****** all over the 3090

Be like an inter dimensional cable episode of Rick and Morty.