AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[queamin]

Just... lol...

Do you really think he would video himself talking about the 3080 launch in that context? It doesn't even make sense. Honestly, some of you are a sandwich short of a picnic.

Looking at some of your posts lately that is rich coming form you.

 

[Richdog]

Looking at some of your posts lately that is rich coming form you.

*nods slowly*

 

[danlightbulb]

I mnean it from a realistic point of view which is how the comment was made i.e. we're all thinking that AMD do somethign special they're going to be cheap as chips and hand over all their work for free... this is what I mean, we need to be relaitic and the statement I made was around the 3090, if they had a beater or equal card, they're not going to be £700 quid cheaper than nVidia are they, i.e. lets get ready for no cheap cards within reason. The fact is we won't be gettiong these cards for £499 (and yes I'm being silly with the price) and we're blinkerd if we think we will...

TV's aren't even in the same ball aprt so a unrealistic comparison, you have god knows how many makers fighting for surpremacy and this reduce prices, GPU's we have two companies. If one sells for £999 the other one isn't going to sell something of similqar spec for £499, that's deluded. Therefore, dont' expect free performance, you'll be pay top dollar. Just because AMD has been cheaper int he past, dont' expect miracles is my point which I thought was clear, obviously not.

We all know that we shouldnt' be paying what we do, but as there's only a choice of two brands they have us and peiople as proven with the 2080TI will pay mental money, so why won't they charge. AMD is a company and will want massive profits, therefore, they'll undercut nVidia tops by 10% and infact wouldnt' surprise me if they price match to a certain extent. You get more performance, but you pay for it

Ok I see what you mean. You weren't talking about progression over time really, just that there won't be too much difference in price between the two if the cards are similar.

I agree. Also don't really care what the very top card does, im in it for the more mainstream cards.

 

[Twinz]

This logic just completely baffles me, "names don't matter" is just a ludicrous argument. How do you segment products then?

*I* look at price points.

But the performance at every price point isn't increasing because the price points are going up to match performance.

Really? My 1080Ti launched in the $700 range. $700 dollars will get me a lot more performance with Ampere than it did with Pascal or Turing...or any past generation for that matter. We all know that Turing was a rip off, but we didn't need names to figure that out. The price points and performance told the story.

Why would you pay $700 for a 60 class card? Are you insane?

I said: "They could have priced the 3060 at $700 and I would buy it if it performed identical to what they are now calling the "3080".

There is nothing in Turing's line up that gets anywhere near that kind of performance for anywhere near that price. $700 Ampere dollars is A LOT faster than $700 Turing dollars.

And people wonder how Nvidia can get away with ridiculous price gouging.

-By having people spend money on "classes", Tiers", and other e-peen-related metrics rather than simply comparing performance to price.

 

[Twinz]

Price is irrelevant and already tiring topic when it comes for Radeon graphics.

We demand the ultimate performance and general high performance leaps, no matter the prices.

The 2080Ti, and now the 3090, were priced for this mindset. Knock yourself out.

 

[james.miller]

This video, it ****** me off how nonchalant about it he is, it shows what he thinks about customer's, he doesn't even hide it, it shows what a huge ego he has. imho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r-c1eTjs9w

ROFL. That was a clip from an interview with The Next Platform. You think he'd say that about the ampere launch in public?

wowsers.

 

[LePhuronn]

I lament, I really do. Are people really this shortsighted or just dumb?

Sod it, ignore list, I'm not wasting my breath...

 

[Nablaoperator]

I said: "They could have priced the 3060 at $700 and I would buy it if it performed identical to what they are now calling the "3080".

Dude you have some passive aggressive relationship with turing..
Cuz that statement contradicts your position
And this is the navi21 speculation thread

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

The 2080Ti, and now the 3090, were priced for this mindset. Knock yourself out.

My 2080Ti is looking like pretty good value for money. I paid about £50 more than some of the 3080s are going for on ocuk and I've already had almost a couple of years of 4K gaming out of it. Plus I actually already have it, in my computer, not just a receipt and a number on a waiting list...

Hopefully RDNA2 isn't going to have the same supply issues!

 

[Twinz]

Dude you have some passive aggressive relationship with turing..
Cuz that statement contradicts your position
And this is the navi21 speculation thread

What are you smoking?

My position is that Cost vs performance is all that matters. ^This illustrates my point. The performance on offer for $700 is what I want...I don't care what name they put in front of it.

 

[TNA]

Looking at some of your posts lately that is rich coming form you.

More people are noticing it seems

 

[Twinz]

My 2080Ti is looking like pretty good value for money. I paid about £50 more than some of the 3080s are going for on ocuk and I've already had nearly a couple of years of 4K gaming out of it. Plus I actually already have it, in my computer, not just a receipt and a number on a waiting list...

Hopefully RDNA2 isn't going to have the same supply issues!

Then buy a 3090 and enjoy your $800 worth of +15% then. Nvidia has the card for you. (again)

 

[Nablaoperator]

What are you smoking?

My position is that Cost vs performance is all that matters. ^This illustrates my point. The performance on offer for $700 is what I want...I don't care what name they put in front of it.

Dude seriously, wait for four more years and buy something that will match the RTX 5080 performance that could be called RTX 5060..
Or no wait was it the RTX 5060 that will match the RTX 3080?.. lol this logic is tasty

 

[LePhuronn]

OK, let me put this a different way, just in case it's me being thick and missing something.

What happens if the RTX 4060, or the equivalent AMD model, costs $700 but you don't want to pay, or can't pay, $700? What do you buy? Cost of entry is now $700? Am I now not permitted to game on my PC because I'm not wealthy enough to buy in? Because this is the way Nvidia are going, the market is allowing them, and AMD are following suit because they can.

It's called "entry level" for a reason, so why are people just so supportive of "entry level" costing prohibitive amounts of money? Foolish and retarded.

Having a product stack which covers the full range of price points is what we want, and yes then it doesn't matter what the name of the card is, but this is not what's happening. Product segmentation that previous covered the lower end of those price points is being pushed up the cost stack, leaving empty spaces. What occupies the $300 price point that the 60 class card used to fill? Or the $400? And as I opened up with, what happens if the 60 class card occupies the $700 price point? What comes in below that?

THIS is what I'm getting at.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

Then buy a 3090 and enjoy your $800 worth of +15% then. Nvidia has the card for you.

Even if I wanted to, how would I do that? There aren't any!

That's the point I was making, for not a lot more than a 3080, I've had two years of good performance, and I'm still winning because I actually have my card in hand.

 

[Twinz]

Dude seriously, wait for four more years and buy something that will match the RTX 5080 performance that could be called RTX 5060..
Or no wait was it the RTX 5060 that will match the RTX 3080?.. lol this logic is tasty

Or look at the price, and decide if the performance is worth the money. If $700 buys performance (now) that's meaningfully better than that amount of money ever has before it doesn't matter what name they scribble on the box.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

OK, let me put this a different way, just in case it's me being thick and missing something.

What happens if the RTX 4060, or the equivalent AMD model, costs $700 but you don't want to pay, or can't pay, $700? What do you buy? Cost of entry is now $700? Am I now not permitted to game on my PC because I'm not wealthy enough to buy in? Because this is the way Nvidia are going, the market is allowing them, and AMD are following suit because they can.

It's called "entry level" for a reason, so why are people just so supportive of "entry level" costing prohibitive amounts of money? Foolish and retarded.

The 2060 wasn't "entry level". Below it were the 1660, 1660Ti, 1660 Super, 1650, and 1650 Super. Nvidia's entry level price is about £130 at present.

 

[Twinz]

OK, let me put this a different way, just in case it's me being thick and missing something.

What happens if the RTX 4060, or the equivalent AMD model, costs $700 but you don't want to pay, or can't pay, $700? What do you buy? Cost of entry is now $700? Am I now not permitted to game on my PC because I'm not wealthy enough to buy in? Because this is the way Nvidia are going, the market is allowing them, and AMD are following suit because they can.

It's called "entry level" for a reason, so why are people just so supportive of "entry level" costing prohibitive amounts of money? Foolish and retarded.

If they completely eliminate lower price points, that could be an issue, but simply naming the $700 card xx60 doesn't do that in itself.

They can write anything on any box. $150 "Small-epeen edition" or whatever. I don't care. If that $150 card outperforms whatever was previously sold at that price, I'm fine with it.

 

[LePhuronn]

The 2060 wasn't "entry level". Below it were the 1660, 1660Ti, 1660 Super, 1650, and 1650 Super. Nvidia's entry level price is about £130 at present.

The 16 series didn't show up for a long-ass time though, so for a period the cost of entry was significantly higher because everything got pushed up a couple of price points. It's more pronounced with Ampere too, what are Nvidia going to fill a $500 void with? And when?

 

[LoadsaMoney]

I see they're still blaming Nvidia for high pricing, when for the past 5+ years, AMD have been the more expensive, while being slower, and having less features.

You just couldn't make it up