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I just don't think particularly highly of AMD's GPUs. Plus other things like DLSS add to the package. I will be switching from Intel to Ryzen shortly though.
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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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This is something that MLID speculated in the wake of the 20GB 3080 and 16GB 3070 getting cancelled. The leaked performance of Big Navi slots them around the Ampere SKUs in such an awkward (for Nvidia) way there's nowhere to actually drop in a competitor without rendering another part of your own stack redundant. So, hold off until AMD show their hand and rearrange Ampere in response.
Interesting to see that's exactly what AMD have done, but so many voices cried out it was a mistake. Not looking like it to me.
Soldato
It doesn't have to be cheaper? I don't recall saying that?
I said, providing they are the same performance then;
If cheaper (£599) = AMD
If same price (£649) = whichever is in stock first
If dearer (£699) = either wait for 3080 FE in stock at £649, or wait for 6800XT to drop to £649 - whichever comes first.
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Its dribble again, people wanting cake and eating it.
Funny how the rumormill created the 20gb 3080 then it also cancelled it.
just ... stop... listening... to internet... wannabes. Can people not think for themselves anymore? I expect most zoomers to be like that seeing the fact that their parents were pewderpie and fortnite but really?
just ... stop... listening... to internet... wannabes. Can people not think for themselves anymore? I expect most zoomers to be like that seeing the fact that their parents were pewderpie and fortnite but really?
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Your criteria is a long way from the same, you wont even accept higher performance in 95% use case if the remaining 5% isn't at least the same, it means for as long as Nvidia can point at 5% of your use case they have you.
Soldato
OK then.
DLSS is in so few games, are you really using it? Second, are you using it purely because it's there and feel you need to?
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Aimed at my post above that?
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When you replied to Th0nt upping the 3080 cost to 699 (because your 649 is MSRP which we all know is a lie) you kept the same price breakdowns. At 599 and 649 you'd go AMD without hesitation. At 699 you'd wait for a 3080 FE.
I was asking why in the event of identical price and performance you'd choose to wait an indeterminate amount of time for the Nvidia card when you could go for the AMD card earlier.
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Its absolutely laughable. It has to be light years better or Im not switching! Catch yourself on.
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Just...stop...crying...about people posting gossip, rumours and speculation on a speculation thread. Seriously, why do you give such a flying fig? If you have something more concrete to contribute which disproves everything the rumour mill says then please do share with the class. Otherwise sit the fudge down and allow us simpletons to bicker amongst ourselves about things that we are 100% aware of are rumour.
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I don't know how to say it any differently. I'm wondering if i'm wording it wrongly, but when I read my post back I don't come to the same conclusion you do
£649 is 3080 FE price, yes? I know it's hard to come by at the moment, but they do release a few every so often. That's the only 3080 on my radar because all AIB's are way overpriced. £649 is my limit for a GPU, so anything over that really isn't on my radar.
If AMD price the 6800XT at £649 and stock is good, I will get that.
If AMD price it at £699 then it's off my radar, along with any 3080 at that price or above. In which case I will wait until one of those cards becomes available for £649.
I really don't care who offers me the performance I want for £649 or below.
The thread was already seeded a couple of months back with DLSS 2.0 and RT performance ‘reminders’ for Ampere, it looks to me like raster performance at 1080p and 1440p have been given up on and Nvidia is talking up other areas to damage limit the sales losses that AMD are going to do.
i fully expect 4k DLSS 2.0 RT performance in Cyberpunk to be the crutch that the 3090 leans on and for this to be spammed out on all channel’s.
It kinda fits that Nvidia have bought ARM, they know the raster performance cash cow is nearing a spectacular end and they will focus their value add on things that AMD don’t have, starting with the 3090 head to head.
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Let's go this another way then...I don't know how to say it any differently. I'm wondering if i'm wording it wrongly, but when I read my post back I don't come to the same conclusion you do
Irrelevant, which is what Th0nt was trying to say. The FE could cost 50 quid a packet of fags, but you won't ever be able to by one. Therefore, you will not be able to get a £649 3080. So the actual, real world, what you actually have to pay price is much higher. Th0nt suggested £699.
So, the 3080 and AMD's equivalent cost the same £699 and perform the same. Which do you buy? You seemed to say you'd wait for Nvidia to become available, I was just asking why.
3080 20gb was on a leaked slide. It was not a rumour
Soldato
If both are £699 then I wont buy either. I'll wait until either one is £649 or below and whichever one gets there first, I will purchase.
Soldato
And thats being generous as there are many other makes (AIB's) charging well into 700's and into 800's. So to use a real world price the £649 is now mythical folklore and likely never be attainable ever.
Well at least you get it @LePhuronn \o/AMD can just price this at £599 and its game,set, match RDNA2.
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We're realistically talking about what, 10%? Also, RT is completely useless at sub 3080 levels so you may as well wipe that off if it's not on par. I'm not trading usable RT, DLSS and just plain old familiarity for a small bump in rasterisation.
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Yep, even the 2080Ti was useable but lacked the edge it needed, all the stack below this just cant do it unless the game leg's it up with DLSS 2.0 support.
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