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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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LePhuronn said:
I'd never pre-order something, especially unproven technology. But I can empathise with those who do being totally clueless as to when they're getting their shiny, especially those who have actually parted with money. They're utter idiots for doing that and deserve no sympathy, but I do empathise.
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You are such an idiot LeFuryOn, you should not empathise with my situation! :p

Although Nvidia’s release of Ampere has been a shambles, when I ordered the card on launch day (within less than 90 minutes) at the time the website site had a pre-order date which was a few days later. I had no idea that was just for a handful of stock and that I would be waiting until November at the very least. But apart from missing out on enjoying it on launch, I do not necessarily need the card until November 19th when Cyberpunk comes out.

The money issue you bring up really is not an issue, for me anyway. All done on credit card where I get cashback on and never pay interest. I mean not like even if I paid direct from my account where the money is waiting to pay the credit card it would be much different. End of the day I can cancel and get a refund when I want so I do not see the issue. You make it sound much worse than it is.

You say unproven technology, not sure what you mean, but if for any reason there is a problem I can get a refund, if not then I can even sell on and make a profit or break even at worse. So yeah again, not seeing the problem.

As it is I paid £649.99 and will continue waiting as that is the best option for me. Let’s see what happens in the next 3-4 weeks.


CaptainRAVE said:
I hope this blows Nvidia out of the water in every regard.
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Same here. Nvidia needs to come back down to earth and learn some humility and treat their customers better. Pathetic launch and now I hear that even if you are due a watchdogs legion code, if you don’t get your launch day order before the promotion expires which is end of November as I understand then you lose out. Wtf is that about? Nvidia make us wait for ages to deliver the card and don’t want to even extend the promotion period due to your own **** up? What kind of **** is that?
 
4K8KW10 said:
I guess your old 6-core 140-watt Core i7-5820K does cause micro-stuttering in some games? And has bad multi-tasking capabilities?
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I've not noticed any issues of note. I've just had nearly 6 years out of it and fancy an upgrade.

People tell me PCs do millions of things beyond just gaming. The only other things mine does is browse the Internet and run office.
 
Hedge said:
I've not noticed any issues of note. I've just had nearly 6 years out of it and fancy an upgrade.

People tell me PCs do millions of things beyond just gaming. The only other things mine does is browse the Internet and run office.
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In this case, you can keep it and move to UHD 2160p gaming which will move 95% of the load to the graphics card.
You can invest in a graphics card and monitor, thus saving for now the whole platform upgrade.
 
4K8KW10 said:
In this case, you can keep it and move to UHD 2160p gaming which will move 95% of the load to the graphics card.
You can invest in a graphics card and monitor, thus saving for now the whole platform upgrade.
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But then where does your whole extra cores thing come in? If we are on 4k and 95% of load is on the gpu then why do people need more cpu cores soon?

My plan is to buy a gpu first. See how it performs but likely upgrade cpu / mobo etc shortly after for the fun of tinkering.
 
Dontrocktheboat said:
It will be great. But nearly £300 quid????

I got a 2600x for £210???

Where did the extra £80 quid come from?? like seriously?
Almost 40% price increase??
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Wonder if a global pandemic has influenced the way materials are acquired and distributed and if working reduced shifts has reduced mass production savings.

Maybe not 40% but it doesnt surprise me things cost more money in 2020.
 
Dontrocktheboat said:
It will be great. But nearly £300 quid????

I got a 2600x for £210???

Where did the extra £80 quid come from?? like seriously?
Almost 40% price increase??
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Got my 3600 for £180 or less brand new last year in October as I recall. Overclocks like a champ at 4.4GHz on all cores 24/7. Been rock solid. At 4K there is zero need for me to upgrade and I will only grab a 5900X once people are selling them on the cheap as they move on to Zen 4 :)
 
I guess... we just have to wait 3 days right ;)

I as a long term Nvidia guy, will be switching to Navi no matter what. All the indicators are it'll be better value for money, for same or exceeding performance (I game at 1440p). I'm really not looking forward to "next gen Nvidia" as they push towards £800, £999 price points for these GPUs as standard... things have exceeded inflation by many times and reaching TTP levels.

If AMD rock up with a £750 card, they're going to shoot themselves in the foot and then some. They have the ability here to completely swing the market from Intel/Nvidia in one year. My estimate is we're going to see a 3080 equiv 16GB card come in at ~£500 +/-10%.
 
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Grim5 said:
Precisely, AMD have hinted at it during investor conferences, they've actually done it (with zen 3) and now we have inside info saying AMD is wondering why it needs to undercut Nvidia when it can match them. So I have absolutely no doubt that AMD will the more expensive GPU if they have the performance advantage - that's where they are as a business now, they don't need to worry about being a loss leader - there was a time where AMD had to be the cheapest and fastest to get mass market appeal but that time is gone
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AMD also know Nvidia's rep has taken a hit with people frustrated with the ampere launch availability, they also know there a lot of people queueing up to pay big money for Gpus when they saw the huge demand on the RTX 3080.

rexehuk said:
If AMD rock up with a £750 card, they're going to shoot themselves in the foot and then some. They have the ability here to completely swing the market from Intel/Nvidia in one year. My estimate is we're going to see a 3080 equiv 16GB card come in at ~£500 +/-10%.
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Prepare to be disappointed.
 
Hedge said:
But then where does your whole extra cores thing come in? If we are on 4k and 95% of load is on the gpu then why do people need more cpu cores soon?
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6 cores in 2021 is not the same thing as 6 cores in 2014.
You need at least 12 cores today to have a comparable high end system.

I only mentioned a workaround - it depends on your use cases - maybe you want game at FHD 1080p and then the more CPU power you have - the better.

Hedge said:
My plan is to buy a gpu first. See how it performs but likely upgrade cpu / mobo etc shortly after for the fun of tinkering.
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I don't know if it is the right moment for a platform change.
I have a feeling that if I buy today, next year new things will be released and my system will be obsolete by then.
 
viathinair said:
I don't care enough about RT this gen and maybe next (plus I always wait 6+ months after game releases, so Cyberpunk 2077 isn't a concern).

I just want the best bang-for-buck rasterisation card for roughly around where the 3070 is supposed to be - by Xmas, otherwise I'll wait for refreshes next year.
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I want something that's 50 percent faster than my 2080 ti at 4k
 
Joxeon said:
AMD also know Nvidia's rep has taken a hit with people frustrated with the ampere launch availability, they also know there a lot of people queueing up to pay big money for Gpus when they saw the huge demand on the RTX 3080.

Prepare to be disappointed.
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No need when I don't care in the first instance :D.

If they decide to take the biscuit, vote with my wallet and skip another generation... 1070 still holding up pretty well.
 
Nvidia killer incoming soon.

A view into the infinity cache and subsystems explained for rdna2 by NXG.
You play at 1080p, 1440p and 4k then well amd is the go to choice now for cpu and gpu.
I suspect a lot of Browncoat's going to happen suddenly for AMD hardware

 
Joxeon said:
AMD also know Nvidia's rep has taken a hit with people frustrated with the ampere launch availability, they also know there a lot of people queueing up to pay big money for Gpus when they saw the huge demand on the RTX 3080.



Prepare to be disappointed.
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As much as I would like AMD to take advantage of the open goal they have here, realistically the demand for these GPUs is off the charts in general (not NVIDIA's fault) and AMD cards will suffer the same fate as NVIDIA by selling out instantly. The only solace being that the pre-order queues will at least be balanced between both AMD and NVIDIA.
 
Rroff said:
I certainly get the feeling those hoping AMD will be disruptive on pricing are going to be disappointed - they aren't approaching these GPUs from the cheapest perspective (for instance the PCBs we've seen so far appear to have a no cost spared approach to power delivery - though AIBs can make savings there) and as you said it isn't the theme they've been selling to their investors/shareholders.
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7 and vega were the same. They wont be nv expensive but they wont be cheap. The big boy one will be 1k im thinking.
 
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