AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

gpuerrilla · 26 Oct 2020 at 14:20

humbug said:
#### i hope AMD beat the 3090 with an $800 card and beat the 3080 with a $600 card.

What are you going to do with that Nvidia? How are you going to deal with that? hum? chump?

Just need those prices, and then enough stock to at least feed the AMD faithful.

varkanoid · 26 Oct 2020 at 14:24

Th0nt said:
Just need those prices, and then enough stock to at least feed the AMD faithful.

I think if there is stock it wont just be the AMD faithful. Might have seen biggest demand for a graphics card ever with the 3080 release but also might see biggest number of cancelled orders too if people jump to AMD.

TNA · 26 Oct 2020 at 14:26

humbug said:
#### i hope AMD beat the 3090 with an $800 card and beat the 3080 with a $600 card.

What are you going to do with that Nvidia? How are you going to deal with that? hum? chump?

What if they beat them but want $700 and $1500 for them? Lol

varkanoid · 26 Oct 2020 at 14:28

Phate said:
its 28th at 4pm

https://www.amd.com/en/events/gaming-2020

and dont forget this is just an announcement, they dont go on sale till much later.

humbug · 26 Oct 2020 at 14:30

Th0nt said:
Just need those prices, and then enough stock to at least feed the AMD faithful.

Just play it cool.

https://i.imgur.com/hTfCd3z.mp4 <with audio

Nah... who am i kidding?

https://i.imgur.com/dKLbAjX.mp4

LoadsaMoney · 26 Oct 2020 at 14:30

humbug said:
#### i hope AMD beat the 3090 with an $800 card and beat the 3080 with a $600 card.

LOL, if they're beating them, they wont be anything like those prices

EastCoastHandle · 26 Oct 2020 at 14:30

Reading some of these post suggest they reached acceptance.

thenewoc · 26 Oct 2020 at 14:31

Am hoping they will be competitively priced this time around and a decent opportunity to get high end 6900XT if it smashes 3090. If the rumour of RDNA 3 being a substantial leap forward that Paul from RGT has suggested then the next gen will likely be priced higher than NV if AMD can pull ahead so this RDNA 2 gen could be the last for a while of being more keenly priced.

humbug · 26 Oct 2020 at 14:32

LoadsaMoney said:
LOL, if they're beating them, they wont be anything like those prices

I know but if AMD were sadistic.... i am, i would.

JediFragger · 26 Oct 2020 at 14:45

Yup, you have to leave nVidia with nowhere to go if you have a well-priced product stack. Be ruthless.

jonneymendoza · 26 Oct 2020 at 14:48

Feoilban said:
Why ask if you know ?

When I asked originally I didn't know

Besty · 26 Oct 2020 at 14:50

TNA said:
What if they beat them but want $700 and $1500 for them? Lol

My spidey senses are telling me that the Sapphire 6900 XT Toxic aka 'the Jesus card' is not going to roll in cheap

humbug · 26 Oct 2020 at 14:52

JediFragger said:
Yup, you have to leave nVidia with nowhere to go if you have a well-priced product stack. Be ruthless.

Yes, be ruthless, if the rumours are true for once AMD have Nvidia flat out on their backs, jump on them, keep piling in with those heymakers, don't stop, blood everywhere.... do not let them get up.

Greebo · 26 Oct 2020 at 14:54

thenewoc said:
Am hoping they will be competitively priced this time around and a decent opportunity to get high end 6900XT if it smashes 3090. If the rumour of RDNA 3 being a substantial leap forward that Paul from RGT has suggested then the next gen will likely be priced higher than NV if AMD can pull ahead so this RDNA 2 gen could be the last for a while of being more keenly priced.

Personally I am of the belief AMD will have a card which is 10% faster than 3080 in rasterization but 20% slower at RT. They will also have a card which is 10% faster than a 3090 and 20% slower at RT. Because they wont have Nvidia beaten in all departments and because of the Nvidia fanbois they will price them cheaper than the equivalent Nvidia cards. They had to do that with their CPUs as well. They had Intel beaten in multi core performance last gen but had to massively undercut Intel as per core they were still behind. No they have Intel beaten in every metric so they are charging as much or more for their cpus. That will be AMD next gen. This gen they will go for a slice of the market and keep them cheap.

Pricing is the key as to what happens next and how important some buyers feel about RT and DLSS. Nvidia has gone very very strong in their launch about DLSS and made it the biggest thing about the 3000 series. This is all fine but it only works in what 14 games?

If you dont like DLSS and prefer to game native and AMD delivers a faster and cheaper card then my money is with AMD especially if their faster cards are cheaper.

RT to me is still another generation away from being mature and usable in the majority of games. This generation is better than the last but by the time its in everything we will have next gen cards and I will be swapping over anyway.

FoxEye · 26 Oct 2020 at 14:58

TNA said:
What if they beat them but want $700 and $1500 for them? Lol

$700 and $1000 I can see.

For some reason I can't see AMD going above $1000. But it's just a gut feeling and no logic/deduction involved here

But I don't see a 3080 beater being priced less than a 3080. Think AMD are heavily pushing the "we're premium too!" angle these days.

Isn't it great when there are only two vendors and they are both "premium?"

thenewoc · 26 Oct 2020 at 15:09

Greebo said:
Personally I am of the belief AMD will have a card which is 10% faster than 3080 in rasterization but 20% slower at RT. They will also have a card which is 10% faster than a 3090 and 20% slower at RT. Because they wont have Nvidia beaten in all departments and because of the Nvidia fanbois they will price them cheaper than the equivalent Nvidia cards. They had to do that with their CPUs as well. They had Intel beaten in multi core performance last gen but had to massively undercut Intel as per core they were still behind. No they have Intel beaten in every metric so they are charging as much or more for their cpus. That will be AMD next gen. This gen they will go for a slice of the market and keep them cheap.

Pricing is the key as to what happens next and how important some buyers feel about RT and DLSS. Nvidia has gone very very strong in their launch about DLSS and made it the biggest thing about the 3000 series. This is all fine but it only works in what 14 games?

If you dont like DLSS and prefer to game native and AMD delivers a faster and cheaper card then my money is with AMD especially if their faster cards are cheaper.

RT to me is still another generation away from being mature and usable in the majority of games. This generation is better than the last but by the time its in everything we will have next gen cards and I will be swapping over anyway.

Will be interesting to see in a couple of days, am hoping they fair well for pro use too in non game tasks when compared to geforce cards as AMD could be the better all round card too.

Richdog · 26 Oct 2020 at 15:13

It's crazy how few leaks (benchmarks etc) there are with the cards only 2 days away from launch... :confused:

KiNgPiN83 · 26 Oct 2020 at 15:14

FoxEye said:
$700 and $1000 I can see.

For some reason I can't see AMD going above $1000. But it's just a gut feeling and no logic/deduction involved here

But I don't see a 3080 beater being priced less than a 3080. Think AMD are heavily pushing the "we're premium too!" angle these days.

Isn't it great when there are only two vendors and they are both "premium?"

Well AMD used to be budget but everyone moaned and said they wanted them to be better!? Lol

KiNgPiN83 · 26 Oct 2020 at 15:14

varkanoid said:
and dont forget this is just an announcement, they dont go on sale till much later.

I think a lot of people have seemed to forget this..

shankly1985 · 26 Oct 2020 at 15:25

This time is an exception for me and I'll be paying the price for the full navi GPU. Seeing I missed out on navi 1 now is the time for big Navi.

Hope it doesn't disappoint Vega users need that upgrade lol