AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

Sargatanas2511 · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:17

humbug said:
Why are AMD in trouble? A Games Console isn't miles off that at 180 Watts with an 8 core 16 thread CPU.

I mean the 3070 doesn't look bad but it's 35-40% faster than the 5700XT at the same power draw. Not sure why that shouldn't be achieveable.

I wouldn't complain if I bought a 3070 though. It's definitely a solid card if supply doesn't push prices up.

bigmike20vt · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:20

MikeB said:
What's funny is we are all salivating about new GFX cards that can run at 144+ but there doesn't seem to be many decent games on the horizon in the next 6 months to fully utilise them (Cyberbunk being the exception), COVID has no doubt slowed development of new IP's etc and maybe we should all be focussing on the next iteration of cards and not these, after saying all that I'm still diving in though

A lot of it for me is about VR. My HP Reverb G2 is gonna take some powering. My 1080ti will do for a bit but I think I will need a new card to max.games out with it... Ray tracing in VR could be great

humbug · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:21

Sargatanas2511 said:
I mean the 3070 doesn't look bad but it's 35-40% faster than the 5700XT at the same power draw. Not sure why that shouldn't be achieveable.

I wouldn't complain if I bought a 3070 though. It's definitely a solid card if supply doesn't push prices up.

Now AMD know its price and performance they know where to slot theirs. That's the thing about going first.

AMDPower · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:23

Scougar said:
This thread is going to be comical if AMD don't deliver on price/performance tomorrow.

Its going to be Royal rumble here if that happens lol

I still believe in a more Conservative estimate on performance, either 5% faster than 3080 in some titles for 5% slower. I don't think they can match 3090, I hope they do, If they do seriously doubt its going to be much cheaper like most anticipate. As we have seen AMD is a company that wants to make profits and companies charge a price they can get away with, not a price that's fair.

chroniclard · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:24

3080 ballpark and price is fine with me. Dont care about RT.

Soapysage · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:26

Sargatanas2511 said:
I mean the 3070 doesn't look bad but it's 35-40% faster than the 5700XT at the same power draw. Not sure why that shouldn't be achieveable.

I wouldn't complain if I bought a 3070 though. It's definitely a solid card if supply doesn't push prices up.

And AMD have been quoted to saying 50% better perf/watt so we'll see how close it'll be.

humbug · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:26

The me the 3070 is not that good. not for the money. its 30% faster than my current GPU, which is not really enough, i wouldn't have upgraded from a 1070 to a £500 GPU if its only 30% faster, i would want at least 50% for £500, as it happens the 2070 Super is more than 60% faster, that's worth it.

30%, not even close.

Lets see what AMD do but i think i'm giving this one a miss.

EastCoastHandle · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:29

Grim5 said:
and Dat performance hit

only 4k 30fps on a rtx3090 without dlss

4k No dlss No rtx = 60fps
4k dlss quality No rtx = 90fps
4k No dlss rtx On = 30fps
4k dlss quality rtx On = 50fps

LOL.

A limited release product that can barely ray trace in open world game. Where you have to limit the field of view in order to Ray Trace. And this is what AMD is competing against? AMD would win just on availability.

I guess I understand why they said that 10 GB of vram was enough for today's games. Because you can always reduce the overall image quality and draw distance in order to fit it.

TNA · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:35

EastCoastHandle said:
LOL.

A limited release product that can barely ray trace in open world game. Where you have to limit the field of view in order to Ray Trace. And this is what AMD is competing against? AMD would win just on availability.

I guess I understand why they said that 10 GB of vram was enough for today's games. Because you can always reduce the overall image quality and draw distance in order to fit it.

So no need for more until near next gen then?

DDH · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:37

EastCoastHandle said:
LOL.

A limited release product that can barely ray trace in open world game. Where you have to limit the field of view in order to Ray Trace. And this is what AMD is competing against? AMD would win just on availability.

I guess I understand why they said that 10 GB of vram was enough for today's games. Because you can always reduce the overall image quality and draw distance in order to fit it.

What's even funnier than the lack of RT performance from the not-a-flagship-but-really-a-titan-but-not 3090 is that NVIDIA is about to provide that level of poor RT performance for a damn lot less than all those earlier NVIDIA fanboy adopters paid for

EastCoastHandle · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:38

TNA said:
So no need for more until near next gen then?

Reducing the games immersion needs no next-gen.

Sargatanas2511 · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:38

DDH said:
What's even funnier than the lack of RT performance from the not-a-flagship-but-really-a-titan-but-not 3090 is that NVIDIA is about to provide that level of poor RT performance for a damn lot less than all those earlier NVIDIA fanboy adopters paid for

This argument will bring out the BUT DLSS crowd soon, be ready

.

TNA · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:40

EastCoastHandle said:
Reducing the games immersion needs no next-gen.

That's good then, I won't need to upgrade for a long time

Dontrocktheboat · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:40

Sargatanas2511 said:
I mean the 3070 doesn't look bad but it's 35-40% faster than the 5700XT at the same power draw. Not sure why that shouldn't be achieveable.

I wouldn't complain if I bought a 3070 though. It's definitely a solid card if supply doesn't push prices up.

3070 is actually 50% perf for same Watts over 5700XT 7nm. On a "broken" 8nm Samsung, lol

That looks like a big mountain to climb.

Good luck AMD tomorrow.

Nablaoperator · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:41

Sargatanas2511 said:
This argument will bring out the BUT DLSS crowd soon, be ready .

But there's also this possibility that the game was developed by monkeys

Sargatanas2511 · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:43

Dontrocktheboat said:
3070 is actually 50% perf for same Watts over 5700XT 7nm. On a "broken" 8nm Samsung, lol

That looks like a big mountain to climb.

Good luck AMD tomorrow.

How is it +50%? The 2080Ti is about 30-35% faster than the 5700XT now (updated drivers and such) and the 3070 is marginally quicker than the 2080Ti. How do you get 50% from that?

Greebo · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:44

Sargatanas2511 said:
I mean the 3070 doesn't look bad but it's 35-40% faster than the 5700XT at the same power draw. Not sure why that shouldn't be achieveable.

I wouldn't complain if I bought a 3070 though. It's definitely a solid card if supply doesn't push prices up.

List prices means nothing though. Some 3070 AIb cards now more expensive than 3080 list prices.

stooeh · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:44

from the per watt no doubt

pugheaven · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:46

Greebo said:
List prices means nothing though. me 3070 AIb cards now more expensive than 3080 list prices.

Agreed... So the cheapest on OCUK right now is £518 with most expensive 3070 is £659 quid for the AIB's.... so much for $499 rofl rofl rofl laughable for the FE, may as well put it at $99 for what these RRP's are worth lol

Dontrocktheboat · 27 Oct 2020 at 14:46

Sargatanas2511 said:
How is it +50%? The 2080Ti is about 30-35% faster than the 5700XT now (updated drivers and such) and the 3070 is marginally quicker than the 2080Ti. How do you get 50% from that?

look at the graph. I posted from techpowerup.

4k

3070 = 75fps
5700X = 50fps

that is 50% per increase both at 220W

I cant explain it any clearer other than to draw you a picture.