AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[EastCoastHandle]

What's even funnier than the lack of RT performance from the not-a-flagship-but-really-a-titan-but-not 3090 is that NVIDIA is about to provide that level of poor RT performance for a damn lot less than all those earlier NVIDIA fanboy adopters paid for

The state of RT in these games are sad. No wonder consoles can do it at 4k. Because not much is RT and what is RT is reduced.

And yeah, if you buy a 3070 expecting to do rt like a 3090 you should be fleeced. I dont feel sorry for them...quite the opposite.

That's good then, I won't need to upgrade for a long time

Ah but we must get an answer to the long awaited question: Can it play puddles? They gotta substitute immersion somehow.

 

[JediFragger]

I cant explain it any clearer other than to draw you a picture.

I for one would like to see this

 

[Sargatanas2511]

look at the graph. I posted from techpowerup.

4k

3070 = 75fps
5700X = 50fps

that is 50% per increase both at 220W

I cant explain it any clearer other than to draw you a picture.

Performance has improved since then as people like upside down Steve from Hardware Unboxed showed only a month or 2 ago. Both of these cards are likely to struggle at 4k too in modern games, so I don't see why you would buy one for 4k.

 

[Greebo]

look at the graph. I posted from techpowerup.

4k

3070 = 75fps
5700X = 50fps

that is 50% per increase both at 220W

I cant explain it any clearer other than to draw you a picture.

You do realise the same thing applies to Nvidias own cards as well? Similar power and 50% faster than the 2070? Game over for Nvidia, how are they going to get 50% more performance per watt over the 2070.................oh wait..........they just did.

So why dont you think that AMD cant match or do better?

 

[Sargatanas2511]

List prices means nothing though. Some 3070 AIb cards now more expensive than 3080 list prices.

Yeah that's why I said if supply doesn't push prices up. I would have probably been better just saying provided pricing is as promised.

 

[Dontrocktheboat]

Performance has improved since then as people like upside down Steve from Hardware Unboxed showed only a month or 2 ago. Both of these cards are likely to struggle at 4k too in modern games, so I don't see why you would buy one for 4k.

techpowerup retested the 5700x with new drivers too, so fine wine idea doesn't wash here.
Second both struggle at 4k. 5700 gets 50 average. thats struggling. 3070 average is 75fps at 4k that's doesn't sound like struggling. You might say they would be better for 1440p but it hardly struggles.

 

[melmac]

A lot of it for me is about VR. My HP Reverb G2 is gonna take some powering. My 1080ti will do for a bit but I think I will need a new card to max.games out with it... Ray tracing in VR could be great

Same for me, whichever GPU gives me the best VR performance at sub £600 I will buy. Which is probably going to mean a Nvidia card unless AMD made some decent strides in that department.

Ray Tracing in VR would be awesome. It's pretty awesome in pancake games. Metro Exodus, Control, Youngblood , Deliver us to the Moon and Mechwarriors 5 all look so much better with RT on than off on my 2070 Super.

 

[muon]

You do realise the same thing applies to Nvidias own cards as well? Similar power and 50% faster than the 2070? Game over for Nvidia, how are they going to get 50% more performance per watt over the 2070.................oh wait..........they just did.

So why dont you think that AMD cant match or do better?

Nvidia had a die shrink and kept the VRAM the same.

 

[Dontrocktheboat]

You do realise the same thing applies to Nvidias own cards as well? Similar power and 50% faster than the 2070? Game over for Nvidia, how are they going to get 50% more performance per watt over the 2070.................oh wait..........they just did.

So why dont you think that AMD cant match or do better?

I will give you a big clue.

nvidia switched nodes. AMD isnt switching nodes from 5700xt to big navi.

 

[Greebo]

Yeah that's why I said if supply doesn't push prices up. I would have probably been better just saying provided pricing is as promised.

I would have been happy if you could have had a pick of 8 AIB cards all under £649 and one at £589 as well. But doubt we will ever see those MRSP anywhere.

Personally even if 3070s were available at list price I would have paid the little bit extra to get the 3080 at £589 for the extra 20% performance.

 

[TNA]

Ah but we must get an answer to the long awaited question: Can it play puddles? They gotta substitute immersion somehow.

Main thing is I do not need to upgrade for a long time, thanks

 

[Nablaoperator]

I will give you a big clue.

nvidia switched nodes. AMD isnt switching nodes from 5700xt to big navi.

Ok. That's the only way to improve efficiency. Amd better fire those architects.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

techpowerup retested the 5700x with new drivers too, so fine wine idea doesn't wash here.
Second both struggle at 4k. 5700 gets 50 average. thats struggling. 3070 average is 75fps at 4k that's doesn't sound like struggling. You might say they would be better for 1440p but it hardly struggles.

I haven't seen anything about TPU updating drivers, so that one is new to me. One review doesn't a definitive statement make either, so I would check across more to see numbers but as stated, it is well known that the 2080Ti is about 30-35% faster than the 5700XT, and reviews are showing the 3070 is a bit quicker than the 2080Ti so I ask again where this extra 10-15% comes from?

I will give you a big clue.

nvidia switched nodes. AMD isnt switching nodes from 5700xt to big navi.

From what we know, AMD are switching from 7N to 7NP so yes there is a node change.

 

[Lokken86]

I think it's safe to say Big Navi will be much faster then the 3070.

 

[TrM]

I haven't seen anything about TPU updating drivers, so that one is new to me. One review doesn't a definitive statement make either, so I would check across more to see numbers but as stated, it is well known that the 2080Ti is about 30-35% faster than the 5700XT, and reviews are showing the 3070 is a bit quicker than the 2080Ti so I ask again where this extra 10-15% comes from?



From what we know, AMD are switching from 7N to 7NP so yes there is a node change.

on the small reveal on the amd cpu they only said 7nm nothing about it being advance node or anything so it might not

 

[TNA]

I think it's safe to say Big Navi will be much faster then the 3070.

Yep. Question is, how will they price it.

 

[DDH]

3070 is actually 50% perf for same Watts over 5700XT 7nm. On a "broken" 8nm Samsung, lol

That looks like a big mountain to climb.

Good luck AMD tomorrow.

Good luck amd? Xbox series X uses less power and offers same performance, less power with an 8core CPU included.

 

[muon]

Good luck amd? Xbox series X uses less power and offers same performance, less power with an 8core CPU included.

You repeat a lie often enough, eventually some people start believing it.

I've seen it over and over again.

 

[TrM]

I think it's safe to say Big Navi will be much faster then the 3070.

we dont know if the base big navi (of the 3 leaks) is faster then then 3070 since big navi is code name for all 3 sku (sujested by leaks)

 

[humbug]

What's the chances of adding 150 pages to this thread in 25 hours?

i want to get to 1000 pages before it starts. come on slackers....