AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

Phixsator · 28 May 2016 at 13:04

So i had a video pop up on AMDs Youtube channel only to be "removed" very shortly after. The thing is the video is getting more and more views according to my subcription page even after it was removed.

This is the video in question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jBrA9osMwU

D.P. · 28 May 2016 at 13:13

Dell sell far more computers with only an IGP and 750ti type card. I doubt many offices have a 960 and 950.

Even if we accept that cards lower than the 970 sold I'm greater volume, which I certainly agree was traditionally the case, that doesn't stop the o79 selling proportionally higher than in the past, which is the only point I was making.

1080 level cards are absolute niche and the volume is somewhere much cheaper but I think the price of mainstream cards has increased due to removal of the bottom tier of cards to IGP. The 970 undoubtedly sold far more at that price point than previous generations.

I'm not saying AMD's strategy is poor, they certainly need modern efficient small low end and mainstream parts. But don't u derestimate the sales volume of the 1070 and the fa t that nvidia will have GP100 cards soon enough to compete with Polaris 10/11

D.P. · 28 May 2016 at 13:13

Nutella33 said:
AMD conference at Computex is at 3am uk time on the 1st of June.

Updates, but not a launch

SimBy · 28 May 2016 at 13:16

D.P. said:
Updates, but not a launch

Kinda obvious since NDA lifts end of June.

Jono8 · 28 May 2016 at 13:16

D.P. said:
Updates, but not a launch

If they don't give concrete info about performance and pricing at Computex, i can only think AMD must have a massive fail on their hands as i cant think of a good reason why you would not show your hand now, especially if the top Polaris card is ~Fury performance so could be snapping on the heels of the 1070.

If people who are looking to get a 1070 know that Polaris might be nearly as fast but a lot cheaper, better in DX12 and out the following mont etc then it will stop them buying a 1070.

Nutella33 · 28 May 2016 at 13:25

D.P. said:
Updates, but not a launch

Launch of the APU (Bristol Ridge?) it looks like and updates/info on polaris.

Hopefully its a bit of concrete info. Anyway haven't seen a set time for the conference before so posted it instead of having my eyes bleed over continuous steam hardware survey discussion

SimBy · 28 May 2016 at 13:30

Jono8 said:
If they don't give concrete info about performance and pricing at Computex, i can only think AMD must have a massive fail on their hands as i cant think of a good reason why you would not show your hand now, especially if the top Polaris card is ~Fury performance so could be snapping on the heels of the 1070.

If people who are looking to get a 1070 know that Polaris might be nearly as fast but a lot cheaper, better in DX12 and out the following mont etc then it will stop them buying a 1070.

Prepare to be disappointed then. You won't see any performance figures or price until end of June, unless they are leaked.

MyBrainz · 28 May 2016 at 13:35

Yea, i cant see any performance figures before the 1070 release on the 10th, one more months wait. LoL

Which Im cool with as i wana upgrade to 6700K with Corsair Dominator DDR4 RAM and a new Mobo at the end of june anyway. Then sell my 2700K and current RAM and buy a new GPU.. so i can wait

tavtavtav · 28 May 2016 at 13:42

It's a good thing my exams end on the 27th.

Hopefully 1080/or 1070 prices fall into line by/in July and polaris has launched/revealed all.

I still get impatient regardless thought!

drunkenmaster · 28 May 2016 at 13:49

D.P. said:
Dell sell far more computers with only an IGP and 750ti type card. I doubt many offices have a 960 and 950.

Even if we accept that cards lower than the 970 sold I'm greater volume, which I certainly agree was traditionally the case, that doesn't stop the o79 selling proportionally higher than in the past, which is the only point I was making.

1080 level cards are absolute niche and the volume is somewhere much cheaper but I think the price of mainstream cards has increased due to removal of the bottom tier of cards to IGP. The 970 undoubtedly sold far more at that price point than previous generations.

I'm not saying AMD's strategy is poor, they certainly need modern efficient small low end and mainstream parts. But don't u derestimate the sales volume of the 1070 and the fa t that nvidia will have GP100 cards soon enough to compete with Polaris 10/11

So though the 950 has replaced the 750ti, you'll concede Dell sell more 750ti's but not 950s, okay, sure.

As for the only point you were making. 970 is the best selling card yet/ever/some other qualifier similar, has been used repeatedly on this forum in the past year and it's been bull the whole time. I've yet to see anyone, including you in this thread, say best selling $350 card, best selling upper midrange card, best selling gaming card... just flat out the 970 is the best selling card yet.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 28 May 2016 at 14:12

Jono8 said:
If they don't give concrete info about performance and pricing at Computex, i can only think AMD must have a massive fail on their hands as i cant think of a good reason why you would not show your hand now, especially if the top Polaris card is ~Fury performance so could be snapping on the heels of the 1070.

If people who are looking to get a 1070 know that Polaris might be nearly as fast but a lot cheaper, better in DX12 and out the following mont etc then it will stop them buying a 1070.

Or maybe they are waiting for the launch of the GTX1070 and want to see what the performance and pricing is like??

That is the closest competing Pascal card to Polaris 10.

I also like how some of you forget the GTX680 launched two to three months AFTER the HD7970 and HD7950 and nobody had no gloom and doom about that.

Was Nvidia not showcasing the performance for a month before launch meaning it was a fail?

AMD launching first did not help them last time around since the HD7970 and HD7950 had low clockspeeds meaning Nvidia had enough time to adjust the clockspeeds of the GTX680 to beat the HD7970.

It could be fail and AMD is shocked at the performance of the GTX1070 and Polaris 10 is screwed or alternatively they might have realised Polaris 10 might be able to catch it with some more tweaking.

Jono8 · 28 May 2016 at 14:21

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Or maybe they are waiting for the launch of the GTX1070 and want to see what the performance and pricing is like??

Everyone already knows this. Whilst we don't have reviews, we have leaked benchmarks and the specs to compare it to a 1080. It isn't rocket science to work out that it is going to be around 980Ti level performance

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Nvidia have already confirmed the price as well.

MyBrainz · 28 May 2016 at 14:37

Jono8 said:
Nvidia have already confirmed the price as well.

And we know how that went with the 1080 price confirmation :rolleyes:

LoadsaMoney · 28 May 2016 at 14:42

Jono8 said:
If people who are looking to get a 1070 know that Polaris might be nearly as fast but a lot cheaper, better in DX12 and out the following mont etc then it will stop them buying a 1070.

It won't stop anyone buying a 1070, as those aren't being bought for VR, different market.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 28 May 2016 at 15:02

Jono8 said:
Everyone already knows this. Whilst we don't have reviews, we have leaked benchmarks and the specs to compare it to a 1080. It isn't rocket science to work out that it is going to be around 980Ti level performance .

Nvidia have already confirmed the price as well.

So was the GTX680 a fail since it came two to three months after the HD7970 and Nvidia had not released definite performance benchmarks 4 weeks ahead of them selling them so AMD could have a friendly heads up??

Plus where are all the official Nvidia GTX1070 benchmarks?? Can you link them please as I obviously seemed to have missed them.

LoadsaMoney said:
It won't stop anyone buying a 1070, as those aren't being bought for VR, different market.

I like how typical enthusiast forum logic is people who buy £150 to £250 cards all of a sudden buy £300 to £400 ones.

If that is the case Nvidia should never have bothered with the GTX660TI for £250 when the GTX670 was £300 to £350 or the GTX970 which was £250 to £300,etc.

I am not sure what a GTX1070 at over £300 has got to do with a card which is probably under £300.

If some of you are that desperate to spend £320 to £400 on a GTX1070 honestly buy one.

Jono8 · 28 May 2016 at 15:15

MyBrains said:
And we know how that went with the 1080 price confirmation

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Well they started at £525 and should have started at £500 (USD to GBP conversion + VAT) so hardly far off. Clearly a lot of release gouging going on.

1070's will no doubt start at around the £330-£340 mark.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 28 May 2016 at 15:17

Jono8 said:
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Well they started at £525 and should have started at £500 (USD to GBP conversion + VAT) so hardly far off. Clearly a lot of release gouging going on.

1070's will no doubt start at around the £330-£340 mark.

The GTX1060 is a fail since Nvidia has said nothing about it yet and released no benchmarks. If it were as great as it should be they should be shouting from the roof about it so people won't buy a Polaris based card and Nvidia has ceded the entire sub £300 market.

Sarcasm\.

Jono8 · 28 May 2016 at 15:17

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
So was the GTX680 a fail since it came two to three months after the HD7970 and Nvidia had not released definite performance benchmarks 4 weeks ahead of them selling them so AMD could have a friendly heads up??

Plus where are all the official Nvidia GTX1070 benchmarks?? Can you link them please as I obviously seemed to have missed them.

I like how typical enthusiast forum logic is people who buy £150 to £250 cards all of a sudden buy £300 to £400 ones.

If that is the case Nvidia should never have bothered with the GTX660TI for £250 when the GTX670 was £300 to £350 or the GTX970 which was £250 to £300,etc.

I am not sure what a GTX1070 at over £300 has got to do with a card which is probably under £300.

If some of you are that desperate to spend £320 to £400 on a GTX1070 honestly buy one.

I think you are missing the point. If leaked info is to be believed the 1070 has everything to do with Polaris 10.

If Polaris 10 does offer Fury level performance but is priced at £200-£250 and the 1070 isn't much faster at 980Ti level performance for £300-£350 then AMD could have a winner on their hands. Especially if they still have the DX12 advantage over Nvidia with Polaris vs Pascal.

I just think that if this is the case and AMD want to win market share and these cards release in July, it would be in their best interests to be telling everyone about them!

Jono8 · 28 May 2016 at 15:18

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The GTX1060 is a fail since Nvidia has said nothing about it yet and released no benchmarks. If it were as great as it should be they should be shouting from the roof about it so people won't buy a Polaris based card.

Sarcasm\.

Missing the point again :rolleyes:

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 28 May 2016 at 15:20

Jono8 said:
Missing the point again

Your missing the point again. You seemed to ignore Nvidia not saying anything about the GTX680 for nearly three months after the HD7970 launched and said nothing at all.

So I assume for nearly three months you were saying Nvidia was failing since they were not shouting from the roof about the GTX680.

You seemed to ignore Nvidia said nothing about the GTX1080 prior to launch which by your metrics means it is a fail.

You also seem to be ON PURPOSE ignoring the fact Nvidia has released ZERO information about ANY of their sub £300 cards which by your metrics means Nvidia has failed in the sub £300 market.

So bascially by your warped metrics:
1.)AMD does not release any information about their sub £300 cards= must be a fail
2.)Nvidia does not release any information about their suib £300 cards= no comments from you