AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

[Tute]

Well AMD need to come out wih some concrete information before June 10th or they'll lose my sale. I'm not waiting for a chip that may or may not perform well and may or may not be priced competitively.

I'm worried the silence is telling.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

People already know the NDA is 31st June and the false concern is appalling.

Everybody knew amd would be releasing around June or July months ago.

Yet all these concerned enthusiasts seem to be putting down AMD since they don't release any performance info before the launch.

Right,because Nvidia always releases lots of performance data and pricing 4 weeks before launch for all their cards.

The same stupid concern for the last 12+ years every time we don't have a full disclosure of price and performance months before launch.

Every AMD launch we have the same arguments.

I also love how all of a sudden people are panicking since they might need to wait a few weeks during the summer which is not usually a time for many a+ game releases.

It's funny when the GTX680 took two to three months to appear after the HD7970 ,not a single Nvidia is months behind AMD and they are doomed comment. The silence is telling,not.

I should know having been part of the GK104 pre-release thread.

Oh! Noes! AMD is a few weeks behind Nvidia. I can't wait,AMD is DOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMED.

First world problems - I have a GTX960,which is a stop gap card.

I will be waiting months more until Nvidia and AMD releases their entire ranges.

I won't be buying a new cards until I see what Nvidia is doing under £300 with Pascal.

TLDR

If waiting a few weeks is too much just buy a GTX1070 and be happy. The rest of us who are more patient can wait a month or so to see what AMD is releasing.

 

[Jono8]

The silence is only telling in the mind of those who already made a decision to buy a GTX1070 already. People already know the NDA is 31st June and the false concern is appalling.

Everybody knew amd would be releasing around June or July months ago.

Yet all these concerned enthusiasts seem to be putting down AMD since they don't release any performance info before the launch.

Right,because Nvidia always releases lots of performance data and pricing 4 weeks before launch for all their cards.

The same stupid concern for the last 12+ years every time we don't have a full disclosure of price and performance months before launch.

Every launch we have the same arguments.

I also love how all of a sudden people are panicking since they might need to wait a few weeks during the summer which is not usually a time for many a+ game releases.

It's funny when the GTX680 took two to three months to appear after the HD7970 ,not a single Nvidia is months behind AMD and they are doomed comment. The silence is telling,not.

I should know having been part of the GK104 pre-release thread.

Oh! Noes! AMD is a few weeks behind Nvidia. I can't wait,AMD is DOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMED.

lol. Calm down dear. You seem so flustered

 

[SiDeards73]

Looking at the 1080 and how it's not that much better than a 980ti, I don't think I would be buying a cut down version in the 1070, as I doubt it's over clocking potential is going to be that great either.

However with that said, from the rumours of Polaris, I don't think I will be buying one of those either, not a large enough upgrade but I don't think it's meant to be if yo it already have a current high end AMD card

 

[Phixsator]

lol. Calm down dear. You seem so flustered

sorta understand where he is coming from. These "AMD is Doomed" is getting tiresome to "listen to". Its been the same for ages now always the same stupid comments.

 

[Rroff]

Seriously? It's from a British comedy series called The IT Crowd.

That's from an episode where the two techies attempt to get revenge on their manager just before her big presentation by convincing her that's the Internet. One of the best episodes. Worth a watch.

Anyway... back to Polaris. I believe we were attempting to fill the void of news with ceaseless argument.

Think my favourite:

 

[Aretak]

sorta understand where he is coming from. These "AMD is Doomed" is getting tiresome to "listen to". Its been the same for ages now always the same stupid comments.

Agreed.

 

[Jono8]

sorta understand where he is coming from. These "AMD is Doomed" is getting tiresome to "listen to". Its been the same for ages now always the same stupid comments.

I think people ( myself including) are just expressing their disappointment at this new round of cards really.


At the moment we have the 1080 which is stupidly priced for what it is and doesn't seem to offer that much more than a custom 980TI ( for the money anyway). This really should be a ~£400+ card like the 980 was. Lack of competition is stopping that though.

Then we have the 1070 which looks like it might be ok but doesn't offer anything we didn't have before (Fury X/980Ti performance) . Ok it will be cheaper but so it should be.

Then we have Polaris but that is looking more and more like it will be ~390X performance and who knows what the price will be. That isn't very exciting as we have had that sort of performance since October 2013...

I think overall the next few months looks pretty pants in terms of new graphics cards.

I want something to replace my 980, but the 1070 doesn't look to be a big enough jump for the money and the 1080 is lol priced.

I am just hoping Polaris XT is ~Fury performance, even better in DX12 than Nvidia and is priced at £250 or under. That might be a nice stop gap until Vega / GP102. If that is the case though, I hope AMD start shouting about it at Computex.

 

[Steampunk]

I think the problem is that AMD is once again not controlling their own marketing. Nvidia has done it's reveal, and has set out it's store with regards to what it want to sell to customers. AMD has shown nothing, so for most people, they have nothing to sell them.

It's especially frustrating if you are part of the AMD "tribe", and there's still nothing for you, while Nvidia is whipping up frenzy for their upcoming products. In short, AMD is once again not reacting to the change in the competitive landscape.

 

[Troezar]

sorta understand where he is coming from. These "AMD is Doomed" is getting tiresome to "listen to". Its been the same for ages now always the same stupid comments.

Agreed. Either there are a lot of people with vested interests or the weird religious devotion you get to Apple products also extends to GPU''s.

I just don't get it. I buy the best I can afford at the time I need it regardless of who it's made by.

 

[flopper]

I am just hoping Polaris XT is ~Fury performance, even better in DX12 than Nvidia and is priced at £250 or under. That might be a nice stop gap until Vega / GP102. If that is the case though, I hope AMD start shouting about it at Computex.

I have faith in jono8

 

[AthlonXP1800]

There are 125 million steam users. There are roughly 40 million GPU's sold per year. One is a subset of the other but its not the way round you are claiming.

Valve announced over 125 million steam users a year ago and outdated but not been up to date since. Fortunately Steamspy has access to Steam database. As of 27 May 2016 here are 169,049,858 steam users.

http://steamspy.com/#tab-graphs

 

[melmac]

Agreed. Either there are a lot of people with vested interests or the weird religious devotion you get to Apple products also extends to GPU''s.

I just don't get it. I buy the best I can afford at the time I need it regardless of who it's made by.

Yeah it's weird the passion that GPU owners have for their particular brand. I don't get it either.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Even if AMD had a Fury X level card for £250,do you think there is any point in shouting about it one month before launch? That would give loads of time for Nvidia to react.

Nvidia would simply laugh then give £50 worth of games for people buying a £320 GTX1070 in June and all the people who said AMD should shout more would just buy the GTX1070 anyway and AMD would not sell any of their current cards under £250 too.

The excuse would soon shift to "I CBA to wait a few weeks and I can sell the game codes".

Even though probably misattributed,it is called the Osborne Effect.

 

[h4rm0ny]

lol. Calm down dear. You seem so flustered

And you seem to respond to reasoned argument with "lol" a lot.

I think people ( myself including) are just expressing their disappointment at this new round of cards really.

The ones that aren't out yet and which are still under NDA?

 

[EL_JOCK]

Watching this thread is priceless, always cheers me up!!

What gets me is, people will moan about the price of Nvidia cards, moan its not much of an upgrade vs a 980ti but then in the next breath seem to think its up to AMD to sort it out.

The only people who can sort Nvidia pricing is us, by not buying them, however enough people believe its an ok price and buy them & that's fine its called market forces at work. AMD are not going to release a card that's within or at 1080 speed but at half the cost, its just not going to happen.

AMD have said for ages this is the replacement for the 380 range (mainstream), so that £200 - £250 mark, so going off that you know its not a 1080 killer.... if its fury speed that's a good upgrade for a lot of people, but as everything there is a time and place to tell people what it can do and AMD say that's either June 1st or if its linked to the NDA June 29th.

Equally not sure why people seem to think AMD Marketing is somehow bad and they need to tell us more stuff now that Nvidia have released the 1080, we know the P10 chip is not a 1080 killer due to the line its replacing, so if your not going to buy a 1080, that leaves you a 1070 which you know next to nothing about other than price and one possible benchmark, which is about what you know about the P10

 

[bisoner]

Agreed. Either there are a lot of people with vested interests or the weird religious devotion you get to Apple products also extends to GPU''s.

I just don't get it. I buy the best I can afford at the time I need it regardless of who it's made by.

I'm a bit of a graphics card mercenary so I don't care about which colour it is. I've had a 970 since it was released and it's been a great value performer. Mine lives in the lounge so I really appreciate its silent but deadly attitude.

I agree 100% with above that the 1080 is priced on the basis of zero competition. I think we're all willing AMD to deliver but sadly it's not really happening. The danger is that the 1070 sucks in impatient 970 owners - I think they need to be sub £300 which they clearly won't be. I'm still gaming at 1080p.

 

[Toss3]

Pretty sure AMD are either waiting on nvidia to release the GTX 1070, or have nothing that could compete to show. They would probably be releasing stuff all the time if it actually performed better than Pascal (even low-end versions).

 

[AthlonXP1800]

$600+ cards make up 1% of the market, maybe, and only when they are in full scale production with high yields and shipping 10k + units a week worldwide, shipping numbers are always higher a couple of months after launch.

In fact everybody included me thought $600+ cards made up 1% of the market but actually it was false. I was very surprised to read latest JPR news on Q1 2016 AIB marketshare, it included segments chart I never seen before cos it never been published.

http://jonpeddie.com/publications/add-in-board-report

Accorded to chart $600+ enthusiast cards shipped rough 1 million unit average that made up about 8% of the market in Q1 2016, that worked out over 80,000 units a week, majority of it are GTX 980 Ti. Q3 2015 was very interesting time with around 2 million enthusiast cards shipped worldwide with GTX 980 Ti sold like very expensive hot luxury cakes.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

In fact everybody included me thought $600+ cards made up 1% of the market but actually it was false. I was very surprised to read latest JPR news on Q1 2016 AIB marketshare, it included segments chart I never seen before cos it never been published.

http://jonpeddie.com/publications/add-in-board-report

Accorded to chart $600+ enthusiast cards shipped rough 1 million unit average that made up about 8% of the market in Q1 2016, that worked out over 80,000 units a week, majority of it are GTX 980 Ti. Q3 2015 was very interesting time with around 2 million enthusiast cards shipped worldwide with GTX 980 Ti sold like very expensive hot luxury cakes.

Enthusiast is supposedly over $350 according to JPR AFAIK.