• Competitor rules

    Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.

AMD Radeon R9 290X with Hawaii GPU pictured, has 512-bit 4GB Memory

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Personally I think,with Apple now starting to move onto TSMC, with 20NM they will start to get priority over anyone else bar Qualcomm.

With Nvidia complaining about costs of 20NM and 14NM last year,I expect they will further refine what they have.
Click to expand...

I'm wondering if AMD even has 20nm mass production allocation for GPUs until well into the 2nd half of 2014 they weren't on the initial 20nm client lists for TSMC and their allocation from GF seems (based on reading between the lines) mostly if not all ear marked for APUs and CPUs.
 
Kaapstad said:
I don't know hardly anything about the silicon business so please excuse my question.

Don't intel have spare capacity or can they not do 20nm chips.
Click to expand...

Different tech and different objectives. Intel does not make much stuff for other companies and the TSMC processes are made primarily for density,and Intel focusses more on power consumption it seems.

Moreover,AMD and Nvidia would compete with MIC in the professional market,so Intel would not want to make GPUs for them anyway.

Suarez7 said:
Wouldn't know don't have it installed.
Click to expand...

I just did a quick install of the drivers,so it appeared on my desktop. It is pretty much the same thing as what AMD is talking about. Don't worry AMD,Nvidia and Valve are all trying to make desktop gaming more like a console.
 
Kaapstad said:
I don't know hardly anything about the silicon business so please excuse my question.

Don't intel have spare capacity or can they not do 20nm chips.
Click to expand...

Intel have ~50% spare capacity iirc, of their 22nm node, IDK. They wouldn't sell space to AMD (:p) even assuming they could make high TDP GPU parts, which I'm not sure they can
 
Rroff said:
I'm wondering if AMD even has 20nm mass production allocation for GPUs until well into the 2nd half of 2014 they weren't on the initial 20nm client lists for TSMC and their allocation from GF seems (based on reading between the lines) mostly if not all ear marked for APUs and CPUs.
Click to expand...

The thing is cost though. Even if Nvidia gets capacity before AMD,I expect it to be limited especially as Apple and Qualcomm will want to move to 20NM as soon as possible,and they make high yielding smaller chips anyway. Apple is the major factor here and they have the money to get as much capacity as they want. This is unlike with 28NM and 40NM.

The thing is with Nvidia complaining about 20NM costs,and with yields for large chips probably being low, I expect a situation where Nvidia will start producing the GK110 based successor in smaller quantities so they can take on MIC,as unlike AMD it is a major threat to a very important market for them. Looking at the GK110,it will still be 3 to 6 months after that point you will probably see retail cards anyway.
 
Jono8 said:
Exactly, if I wanted my gaming to be console like, I would just game.....on a console... :/
Click to expand...

Very disappointing so far tbh, it seems more like a console announcement rather than anything to do with GPU's.

Terrible mistakes throughout with the streaming failing to begin with, the audio guy putting everyone to sleep and this console crap.

I really do hope that the new cards are better than what we have seen so far as i assume as Enthusiasts, that all we really care about ..
The Firestrike benchmark didn't really show us much.
 
So do you think both nvidia and AMD will now spend longer trying to get more out of each nm process? If so I can see performance gains crawling to a halt.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom