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AMD Radeon R9 290X with Hawaii GPU pictured, has 512-bit 4GB Memory

MatTheCat said:
Although you are no doubt correct, this is nonetheless a moot point.
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Well, you were about £200 out on the launch price there; they were closer to £500. I thought that was an important correction to make :p The 8800 ultra's were even more.

£330, £300, whats the difference when we are now talking about £800+ emerging as the new 'standard' price of a high end card?
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Top end cards, bar very few exceptions, have always been expensive. This is no recent development. is £800 expensive for a top end single gpu? perhaps, but then multi gpu cards have been floating around that price point for years so what difference does it really make? It's still the top end gpu. If it's too much, don't buy it. I know i wont be :)
 
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decto said:
They are busy working on the drivers for the release benchmarks, price will relate to performance vs. 780 and titan on launch day.

Here's hoping Nvidia are working hard and pull some decent gains ... that should result in a cheaper 290x with potential to reduce to Nvidia pricing as well.

GPU's are overpriced vs other components...

£250 for a decent I7 on s2011, s1155 or s1150 is a steal compared to GPU pricing.


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It's worth noting that for instance a i5/i7 quad core with gpu is what, 200mm2 or so on Intel's on fabs, they make 100mil + of them.

A R290x is 400mm2+ made on TSMC fabs in volumes likely under 2million. Increased volume at ANY fab will reduce overall costs. It costs money to develop a chip, it costs to get a working set of masks for the fab to manufacture the chips and then you have to factor in recouping those costs by adding to each chip. Then you factor in there is a middle man, producing your own chips(with enough volume) is cheaper than paying someone else to do it for you.

The reasons GPU's cost a lot more than CPU's is they are twice the size with 2-4 times the number of transistors, being made at 3rd party fabs in comparitively tiny quantities. This is before you factor in 1-6gb of memory, the pcb, VRM's, none of which are included in a CPU but effectively are an added £200 in mobo/memory costs.

GPu's cost a lot more than CPU's these days(consumer parts anyway) but you get WAY more from a graphics card. Of the two I would call a £250 cpu much more expensive than a £400 gpu.
 
drunkenmaster said:
It's worth noting that for instance a i5/i7 quad core with gpu is what, 200mm2 or so on Intel's on fabs, they make 100mil + of them.

A R290x is 400mm2+ made on TSMC fabs in volumes likely under 2million. Increased volume at ANY fab will reduce overall costs. It costs money to develop a chip, it costs to get a working set of masks for the fab to manufacture the chips and then you have to factor in recouping those costs by adding to each chip. Then you factor in there is a middle man, producing your own chips(with enough volume) is cheaper than paying someone else to do it for you.

The reasons GPU's cost a lot more than CPU's is they are twice the size with 2-4 times the number of transistors, being made at 3rd party fabs in comparitively tiny quantities. This is before you factor in 1-6gb of memory, the pcb, VRM's, none of which are included in a CPU but effectively are an added £200 in mobo/memory costs.

GPu's cost a lot more than CPU's these days(consumer parts anyway) but you get WAY more from a graphics card. Of the two I would call a £250 cpu much more expensive than a £400 gpu.
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This is a very good point, Intel charge the same £250+ for a CPU that costs a fraction of what a GPU costs to make, even if the GPU is the same price.

If GPU's are overpriced, then CPU's are a joke, no one seems to complain about that.
 
james.miller said:
Well, you were about £200 out on the launch price there; they were closer to £500. I thought that was an important correction to make :p The 8800 ultra's were even more.
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Ok....it seems you were more correct than I was.

£450 on launch I just read on a review site. But this is Nvidia. They have always been monstrously expensive. I bought a HD4870 for £200 on launch in mid 2008, and that card bitch-slapped any GTX 8800 card in terms of frame rates. At launch, the HD 4870 was the performance leader for any single GPU card as the HD5870 was a year or so down the line (~£270 upon release).
 
MatTheCat said:
Ok....it seems you were more correct than I was.

£450 on launch I just read on a review site. But this is Nvidia. They have always been monstrously expensive. I bought a HD4870 for £200 on launch in mid 2008, and that card bitch-slapped any GTX 8800 card in terms of frame rates. At launch, the HD 4870 was the performance leader for any single GPU card as the HD5870 was a year or so down the line (~£270 upon release).
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Something gone wrong somewhere with your memory. The 8800 was the same gen as the HD2000 series, the HD4000 series was 2 gens later.

But with that said, even with the 8800GTX at around £475 on launch, it now looks like the bargain of the century and make cards like Titan looks really pants for the money they are charging. The 8800GTX was like 100% faster than the top card of the gen before it for and only priced at sub £500; the GTX780 and Titan ask for far more money, yet the performance gain over previous gen flagship cards is just a mere 30-40% increase.

So basically a card is not overpriced at £500 or over, IF they got the performance gain that match the asking price...but unfortunately that is not the case for the GTX780 and Titan.
 
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http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/radeon_r9_290x_now_also_listed_at_newegg_for_729_99.html

At that price it looks like I'll be waiting for Maxwell.
 
AMD have not officially set a price so any price you see from a retailer should be taken with a grain of salt.

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What Jono said.
 
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