AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

Meddling-Monk · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:07

smeemi said:
Who keeps their graphics card for more than 2 years?

My (HD) 7950 went from 2012 to 2018 before it died from sag that wasn't dealt with at the time. My RX580 has been the replacement until now. Whilst the GPU is the most replaced item in most cases, it's nowhere near 2 years apart. Maybe in the late 90s when advances were much more pronounced, but not these days.

ProStreet · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:08

harmattan said:
You mean a 4070 (now deftly named "4080 16GB") for 110% more than the x070 model was sold last round? Yeah, that's gonna be a no for me, dawg.

Don't disagree..
3080 for £649 was a bargain in comparison.

humbug · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:10

ICDP said:
I'm only interested in where they sit with performance in both raster and RT. Frankly the ludicrously priced 4080 and yes even the 4090 means a £1k GPU that is faster than a 4080 look like a good deal.

My hope is this is the final nail in the coffin for Nvidia's pricing scams and we start to see some price drops. My preference would be an AMD GPU but will get whatever is best bang for buck. Right now the 4080 and 4090 are not it IMHO and even the 7900 XTX is only winning on price/perf by default.

Nvidia's problem is all they sell is graphics cards, if they can't sell vastly more than their competitor for higher margins they can't keep up with an AMD that these days is a juggernaut.

humbug · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:15

They have seen what AMD did to Intel and are crapping themselves, they need that revenue, they need that R&D.

ICDP · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:15

humbug said:
Nvidia's problem is all they sell is graphics cards, if they can't sell vastly more than their competitor for higher margins they can't keep up with an AMD that these days is a juggernaut.

To be fair none of that interests me and I don't care about eithers marketshare. All I know is Nvidia are taking the **** with 4090 and 4080 prices and AMD are not too far behind in the scummy scalper prices.

The fact AMD look better than Nvidia in price/perf is like saying Idi Amin was better than Putin.

ProStreet · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:15

humbug said:
Nvidia's problem is all they sell is graphics cards, if they can't sell vastly more than their competitor for higher margins they can't keep up with an AMD that these days is a juggernaut.

Wrong.. graphics card/gaming only accounts for about 40% of their revenue.

humbug · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:17

smeemi said:
Wrong.. graphics card/gaming only accounts for about 40% of their revenue.

Only.... it only accounts for about 10% of AMD's.

ProStreet · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:18

humbug said:
Only.... it only accounts for about 10% of AMD's.

''All'' indicates 100%
Only is subjective.

I think my wording was more accurate than yours but OK.

ICDP · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:19

Keep the financial talk out of the thread please.

ProStreet · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:21

ICDP said:
Keep the financial talk out of the thread please.

39 mins to go!!

Mr Evil · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:23

Trypta said:
This is my concern also. But there must be a reason that aibs are doing this though, no?

Because the card that comes at the top of the benchmark charts will sell better. Most people don't care about efficiency - at least until after they have bought the card. It's the same reason why the new CPUs from both Intel and AMD are horribly inefficient.

GuruJockStrap · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:24

I'm not looking to upgrade my GPU for a while but I'll be keen to see how these new RDNA3 cards perform but more importantly, where they sit pricing wise and what Nvidia do in response.

Firegod · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:26

Mr Evil said:
Because the card that comes at the top of the benchmark charts will sell better. Most people don't care about efficiency - at least until after they have bought the card. It's the same reason why the new CPUs from both Intel and AMD are horribly inefficient.

Ironically the Poll that was done in this section recently shows that people do want efficiency. People say one thing then go buy something left field. I want good value and efficiency... and then buy a 4090. Erm OK.

humbug · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:31

smeemi said:
''All'' indicates 100%
Only is subjective.

I think my wording was more accurate than yours but OK.

The point is AMD have no where to go but up, that can only be at the expense of Nvidia.

Nvidia think Moores Law is dead, a serious problem for them, through engineering AMD have found a way around it.

It the same with CPU's, AMD have been building MCM CPU's for 4 years now, as a result Intel are facing an AMD that is producing 32 core CPU's that beat 80 (2 socket 8380 vs single socket 9374F) of Intel latest and greatest cores, currently AMD make CPU's up to 96 of those cores in a single package, soon 128 of them, 256 for 2 sockets, 256 cores single socket are already on the roadmap, its mental how far ahead AMD are.

Unless Nvidia get their own MCM GPU designed working there is a very serious problem waiting for them, after 4 years Intel still haven't managed it.

This is only Zen 1

harmattan · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:31

Firegod said:
Ironically the poll that was done in this section recently shows that people do want efficiency. People say one thing then go buy something left field. I want good value and efficiency... and then buy a 4090. Erm OK.

I suppose you could make the argument that if you wanted ultimate performance and efficiency, you could get a 4090 and undervolt it most of the time, then run stock or above when needed.

Firegod · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:33

harmattan said:
I suppose you could make the argument that if you wanted ultimate performance and efficiency, you could get a 4090 and undervolt it most of the time, then run stock or above when needed.

You could do that yeah.

ProStreet · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:34

humbug said:
The point is AMD have no where to go but up, that can only be at the expense of Nvidia.

Nvidia think Moores Law is dead, a serious problem for them, through engineering AMD have found a way around it.

It the same with CPU's, AMD have been building MCM CPU's for 4 years now, as a result Intel are facing an AMD that is producing 32 core CPU's that beat 80 (2 socket 8380 vs single socket 9374F) of Intel latest and greatest cores, currently AMD make CPU's up to 96 of those cores in a single package, soon 128 of them, 256 for 2 sockets, 256 cores single socket are already on the roadmap, its mental how far ahead AMD are.

Unless Nvidia get their own MCM GPU designed working there is a very serious problem waiting for them, after 4 years Intel still haven't managed it.

All very valid..

It's not like AMD are miles ahead, far from it. It is more than likely that the 4090 beats the 7900 XTX hands down, yes its more expensive but as you say AMD sales are significantly lower than NVIDIA as a percentage of overall, so they can squeeze margins on the GPUs to gain market share... which seems to be working.

Joxeon · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:37

Curlyriff said:
Nah they said actually buy in point being the 3080 was often selling for more than the 6900xt due to it being Nvidia. At msrp sure but that was very limited stock wise to compare to the average actual availability.

The hash rate was much better on the 3080 which is why it sold more.

Chuk_Chuk · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:41

humbug said:
Nvidia think Moores Law is dead

Let’s be honest Nvidia doesn’t think that. It was a good excuse for them to use to raise prices.

humbug · 12 Dec 2022 at 13:43

smeemi said:
All very valid..

It's not like AMD are miles ahead, far from it. It is more than likely that the 4090 beats the 7900 XTX hands down, yes its more expensive but as you say AMD sales are significantly lower than NVIDIA as a percentage of overall, so they can squeeze margins on the GPUs to gain market share... which seems to be working.

Sure, you're right.

This is only Zen 1

which wasn't that great either, but it proved the concept and started that ball rolling.