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AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

Blackjack Davy said:
And I bet they'll still fly off the shelves! Or if not they're making so much profit on each unit they can afford to sell in low numbers as it cuts down on manufacturing costs! Its a win-win!
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My guess on this is that they ordered before the mining collapse so they ordered too many. Knowing full well they couldn't sell what they ordered, they had to increase prices for the ones they could sell. The dilemna now is that they haven't sold many of the 4080, so the plan has backfired for that chip. What do they do next?
 
kieran_read said:
I'm gonna say it.

The RT performance of the 4080 and 7900xtx are as bad or as good as each other.

From what i'm seeing either both can hardly hit 60fps or both exceed 60fps. Sure the 4080 may get 90fps and the 7900xtx gets 60fps or something but they are either both playable or both unplayable, and i don't think either one is anything to shout about. (Looking at the 4k games as that's the monitor I have)

It seems like such a pointless argument on these two cards.

Does it matter if the 4080 is 30% faster in ray tracing at 4k in Witcher 3 than the 7900xtx when it's only getting 35fps, both cards are unplayable.

Does it matter if the 4080 is 15% faster in ray tracing in Riftbreakers if both are 100fps plus?

At 4k at least both cards are garbage at Raytracing and neither card should be bought for on that basis.

I'm a 4k user (though i think ill keep my 1080ti for a while longer) but neither card is suitable for Raytracing in my opinion, they are either both playable or both unplayable in all games. I didn't see one game in particular where one card was playable and the other unplayable. As such looking at the reviews now it seems 7900xtx is a perfect match for the 4080 though it's dissapointing it's not faster overall in raster performance (I got caught up in the hype train)

The annoying part is the 4080 is a bad value card but a better value card than the 7900xtx, looking at the prices Nvidia are sticking to, keeping, and still releasing founders editions so the MRSP of £1200 is sticking around and we have multiple cards available for under £1200. The problem is the 7900xtx was a paper launch, crap supply of MBA cards and as Gibbo said Sapphire will no longer release them going forward, meaning we will only have 7900xtxs available for £1200-£1300.... the issue is even though I think raytracing is garbage on both of those cards it's frankly stupid to buy a 7900xtx over a 4080 at those prices. The "value" is actually in Nvidias favour.

I'm super glad I didn't FOMO and buy one on launch gonna wait until summer I think see what happens with the prices, but my sad little 1080ti will have to continue for a few months more, I simply can't jump in at those prices I was willing to pay £1000+ but to have 0 generational performance increase I don't feel like the 4000 series and the 7000 series are a new generation rather a continuation of the last.
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7900xtx can be significantly slower than the 4080 (more than 40%), that's a gen behind.
With DLSS 4080 should be able to play at 4k nicely, but that's more for 4090.
Imaginary 90fps for 4080 and only 60fps for 7900xtx, especially since they're for the same money? I'll take the first one every time. Sure, if it would be 5-600 dollars. When it comes to heavy use of RT AMD is just weak compared to nVIDIA's latest. Yes, 3xxx series included.
 
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Calin Banc said:
7900xtx can be significantly slower than the 4080 (more than 40%), that's a gen behind.
With DLSS 4080 should be able to play at 4k nicely, but that's more for 4090.
Imaginary 90fps for 4080 and only 60fps for 7900xtx, especially since they're for the same money? I'll take the first one every time. Sure, if it would be 5-600 dollars. When it comes to heavy use of RT AMD is just weak compared to nVIDIA's latest. Yes, 3xxx series included.
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The problem is they are both garbage, you're not wrong in your choice atm I see 0 reason to buy a 7900xtx over a 4080, christ i can buy a 4080 and a new PC case to fit it for less money than what AMD's cards cost.

If both cards were 800 or below i could understand getting lower FPS, and i'd be a bit more open minded but being that they both cost around the £1200 mark I am really scruggling to justify them.
 
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kieran_read said:
The problem is they are both garbage, you're not wrong in your choice atm I see 0 reason to buy a 7900xtx over a 4080, christ i can buy a 4080 and a new PC case to fit it for less money than what AMD's cards cost.

If both cards were 800 or below i could understand getting lower FPS, and i'd be a bit more open minded but being that they both cost around the £1200 mark I am really scruggling to justify them.
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800 wold be too much for a relative healthy PC market. Perhaps more like in the 5-600 range would fit better.

At 1200 there's no struggle since there's really no justification. :P
 
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kieran_read said:
but being that they both cost around the £1200 mark I am really scruggling to justify them.
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Therein lies the problem, £1200 for a graphics card should mean no compromise, balls to the wall performance. As it stands those parts are shrivelled and retracted, the only card that fills that niche is another 33% more expensive.
 
Kirby Wurm said:
Therein lies the problem, £1200 for a graphics card should mean no compromise, balls to the wall performance. As it stands those parts are shrivelled and retracted, the only card that fills that niche is another 33% more expensive.
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Exactly

But just look at the stock levels.

4090 in stock accross multiple SKUs
4080 in stock accross multiple SKUs
7900XTX in stock accross multiple SKUs
7900XT in stock accross multiple SKUs

A brand new generation on both sides AMD should still be out of stock/hard to come by yet it's easy to buy the card, the demand simply isn't there this generation thanks to those prices.
 
humbug said:
We are where we are because things like DLSS are now factored in to the pricing, i ####'ing said this would happen.

Its $1600 for todays 1080Ti equivalent "Because RT and DLSS is worth it" a 4080 is $1200 for the same reason, a 4070Ti will be $800 if not $900 for the same reason, because too many of you bought in to it as the defining thing about a GPU, so now that's exactly what you got, those of you deserve it.
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Price increases where before DLSS and RT. A simple example would be the Titans.
Blackjack Davy said:
And I bet they'll still fly off the shelves! Or if not they're making so much profit on each unit they can afford to sell in low numbers as it cuts down on manufacturing costs! Its a win-win!
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They wouldn't fly off the shelves as they're not flying right now as well. Increasing the price will not affect the sells only up to some point.

Considering how bad it does now, I'm actually expecting they'll put a spin on PR for next gen and come with the prices for a more sensible (yet still overpriced) level. People will still buy those overpriced products offering the same old arguments (BOM, R&D, I'm doing what I want with my money, etc) and everything will be forgotten. Their favourite team is doing well again.

Rinse and repeat ;)
 
Babel tech may have found why performance is so inconsistent on rdna3

"RDNA3 Dual issue compute doesnt work most of the time and RX7900 GPUs tend to not exceed 36 tflops due to these limitations, including: Only works in wave32 and onlyworks with order independent instructions. Making 61tflops practically impossible. Typically, RX7900 GPUs are performing at only 36tflops as wave32 mode will not run on wave64 hardware and most current AMD kernels use wave64 for compatibility which disables dual issue compute limiting RDNA3 to 36tflops."

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Robert896r1 said:
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lmao who knew.
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Lol being intentionally misleading to your customers to sell your product ahahahah. Who comes up with this ****?

Nevermind that’s one specific resolution at specific settings. 4k ? Nah. RT on? Nah.. lol

They’re even getting toasted on r/amd for that crap, says it all really. #teamcringe
 
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kieran_read said:
Exactly

But just look at the stock levels.

4090 in stock accross multiple SKUs
4080 in stock accross multiple SKUs
7900XTX in stock accross multiple SKUs
7900XT in stock accross multiple SKUs

A brand new generation on both sides AMD should still be out of stock/hard to come by yet it's easy to buy the card, the demand simply isn't there this generation thanks to those prices.
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does no one remember when cards being in stock all the time was normal?
 
jrodga2k5 said:
Nobody does and only being unavailable is a sign of success these days...imagine being in stock :rolleyes:
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yeah been building myself a pc since 2000 and its always just been a case of everything is in stock and you just bought what you felt like, its only been since mid 2020 that stuffs been scuffed but you would think people had not built a pc since 2020 with the only sign of a card being successful is if it managed to go out of stock constantly
 
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