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AMD RDNA3 unveiling event
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So he's supposed to check on the availability of the 4090 in every country so people aren't offended?
Also there's a dedicated thread for the 4090...
The 4090 has 68% more shaders than the 4080.
Its impossible to know what the performance difference is based on that because we don't know what the level of scaling is.
But the 4090 is 65% faster than the 6950XT, this with 68% more shaders than the 4080, its not going to be anywhere near the 7900XTX, at best it might only be as good as the 3090Ti, which is still no where near the 7900XTX.
And then there's RT, again the 4090 has 68% more RT cores, with that shader count the RT performance is around a 3090Ti, if we assume again that the 4090 is not scaling 100% its perhaps a bit more.
Not a massive amount better than the 7900XTX and remember Cyberpunk2077 is absolute worst case for AMD, there are several other RT games where the difference isn't anything like as extreme.
Its a 3090Ti ' ish, for $1200
Its impossible to know what the performance difference is based on that because we don't know what the level of scaling is.
But the 4090 is 65% faster than the 6950XT, this with 68% more shaders than the 4080, its not going to be anywhere near the 7900XTX, at best it might only be as good as the 3090Ti, which is still no where near the 7900XTX.
And then there's RT, again the 4090 has 68% more RT cores, with that shader count the RT performance is around a 3090Ti, if we assume again that the 4090 is not scaling 100% its perhaps a bit more.
Not a massive amount better than the 7900XTX and remember Cyberpunk2077 is absolute worst case for AMD, there are several other RT games where the difference isn't anything like as extreme.
Its a 3090Ti ' ish, for $1200
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I wonder if Nvidia just didn't think AMD could get anywhere near the 4090 with their best try, and i don't even think it is AMD's best try, i think AIB's will push past the reference 4090 and we still have the 7950XTX to come, we all know it will.
Did Nvidia just think they had AMD crushed and that was that?
Did Nvidia just think they had AMD crushed and that was that?
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Arrogance is my guess. They have started to believe their own marketing BS that ray tracing is the only thing that matters.
For evidence of this arrogance just look at those 4080 prices and the utterly ridiculous notion that the promise of DLSS 3.0 was anything other than a sick joke.
For evidence of this arrogance just look at those 4080 prices and the utterly ridiculous notion that the promise of DLSS 3.0 was anything other than a sick joke.
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NV just got it out the door for early adopters, they rushed it that fast, DLSS3.0 looks like a step back and the fact they had to clock them that high with fridges for coolers causing the cable mess is biting them in the arse.
But they're that arrogant at this point, as long as the books keep in profit- they clearly don't give a damn.
People continue to buy Nvidia though just checked Steam survey for October and AMD got destroyed. They clearly don't find AMD GPUs competitive. Is it RT, DLSS, clever marketing, stock levels? Who knows.
AMD could be in single digit marketshare in a few months. Then what? They are getting wiped from the GPU market.
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Really? Maybe I've underrated the XTX, so how close roughly speaking do you think it is in raster?
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The 4000 cards are horribly over-priced it's as simple as that, they bent the early adopters over but since have had to withdraw the 4060.
Yeah i thought the whole thing looked rushed to me, maybe they did know and pushed them out to milk the market before RDNA 3 spoiled the party.
I don't get the 4080 though, those cards are basically the same as the previous gen high end, ok the 4080 16GB is a bit cheaper than the 3090 was, the 4060Ti 12GB was $100 more than the 3080 12GB and so far as i can tell its no better, sure that's now cancelled but the 4080 16GB looks terrible against the 7900XTX, unless they were hoping AMD would charge something like $1400 for it?
Maybe that was it...
To what? the 4090?
Going from AMD's numbers its 50 to 70% faster than the 6950XT in pure raster, i rounded that to 55% and added it to the 6950XT on TPU's results, that gave me 94.5% of the 4090.
I can't see that happening. but then again a few months ago I couldn't see a GPU being unlaunched.
The question is how much stock does AMD have. If they start to run dry of low end cards they will release the mid range and Nvidia has to respond. Kind of funny that AMD gets to dictate how the market is going to go. in the mid-low end
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Well, they aren't selling many of those 5nm Ryzen chips...
I think they're in a much better position now than they were with rdna 2. Rdna 2 biggest problem was lack of stock (which wasn't surprising given they had to supply 80% of their stock to consoles) and lack of getting their gpus for msrp, at least in uk. Not having a dlss competitor would have hurt them too imo. But now with rdna 3, they shouldn't have stock issues, they have aggressively priced the gpus this time i.e. not just £50 cheaper and got RT perf to usable levels and have got FSR 2 and will also have their dlss 3/fg competitor out at some point i.e. amd customers aren't left in limbo waiting to see if they will be getting it or not.
Well, if AMD had Navi 32 and 33 ready now - and since AMD themselves had little excess inventory - they really could have made it impossible for Nvidia to continue to sell all their excess stock without serious discounts.
Unsure what would have been in for AMD in that, but by only launching high end Navi 31 they surely are helping Nvidia shift their excess which really cannot help AMD whatsoever.
Of course, release schedules were decided ages ago so they cannot change them now. It's been years (HD7000 series?) since AMD did a full stack GPU launch, and is guess they don't even have enough people (validation, tape-out, testing, driver optimisation, etc.) to do a full stack GPU launch.
Unsure what would have been in for AMD in that, but by only launching high end Navi 31 they surely are helping Nvidia shift their excess which really cannot help AMD whatsoever.
Of course, release schedules were decided ages ago so they cannot change them now. It's been years (HD7000 series?) since AMD did a full stack GPU launch, and is guess they don't even have enough people (validation, tape-out, testing, driver optimisation, etc.) to do a full stack GPU launch.
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AMD also have excess stock.
Neither of them can afford to write them off completely as losses, and whle they are getting cheaper, this is down from £630 to £560, they might have to get cheaper still to get people to buy them in the numbers they need to clear them out, AMD may have to take somewhat of a loss on them to avoid a total loss.
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Neither of them can afford to write them off completely as losses, and whle they are getting cheaper, this is down from £630 to £560, they might have to get cheaper still to get people to buy them in the numbers they need to clear them out, AMD may have to take somewhat of a loss on them to avoid a total loss.
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It's normal to have some stock remaining at the end of the product lifecycle. What we don't know is if there is a ridiculous amount sitting in the backroom, or the last few scraps.AMD also have excess stock.
Neither of them can afford to write them off completely as losses, and whle they are getting cheaper, this is down from £630 to £560, they might have to get cheaper still to get people to buy them in the numbers they need to clear them out, AMD may have to take somewhat of a loss on them to avoid a total loss.
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Looking at what is available on OCUK, it doesn't seem like AMD were over zealous in the production. Looking at some competitors though, the picture looks quite grim.