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If your consider a $1000 product being within 10-20% of a $1700 product not worth mentioning I have no idea what you expect from it.
The newest LTT video they think the gap could be smaller than even we think.
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AMD RDNA3 unveiling event
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The newest LTT video they think the gap could be smaller than even we think.
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Of you want to pay a 700 premium for RT then feel free.
I do not consider Ray tracing a feature that's worth the same money I paid for my 1080ti..
but shouldnt it be competing say the 4080 16gb which is £1269 ? which still makes the 7900xtx cheaper
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Can't get excited for £1000+ gpu's from red or green.
Well, i am just saying, but i also actually don't like most RT stuff my self, it gives a lot of games a sort of washed out look, takes the atmosphere a way in a lot of games i like, metro exodus being one of them, prefer that game without RT.
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This 100%. Gpus shouldn't cost more than pretty much an entire half decent pc build. Something needs a huge reset, don't care what it is, but high end gpu market is only for the rich and ppl incredible foolish with their money
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The 4080 is in itself a failed product. So big whoop ?
Just because you can buy a cheaper poop doesn’t mean there’s anything to choose from.
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true personally more interested what the 7800xt offers
Really I don't think this will be AMD's top RDNA3 GPU, the core count seems too low for a flagship at 6144 stream processors. Also the pricing is significantly lower than the 4080 which it beats, and is also significantly lower than the 6900XT/6950XT. Nvidia are bound to bring in a 4090Ti which will use the full die and come with extra VRAM, so they'll have two GPUs above $1500.
There is room for AMD to bring in a much larger GCD or even dual GCD GPU to compete against the 4090 and 4090Ti. They need to take this opportunity and hit Nvidia where it hurts, bring out their own big die on 4nm and absolutely crush them at least in raster performance.
There is room for AMD to bring in a much larger GCD or even dual GCD GPU to compete against the 4090 and 4090Ti. They need to take this opportunity and hit Nvidia where it hurts, bring out their own big die on 4nm and absolutely crush them at least in raster performance.
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That is fine for me. I still don't play a single RT game to date yet so for myself that is not relevant. Civ6, Stellaris, Star Citizen, Expeditions:Rome, TW:W3.
I posted an actual comparison in another topic some time ago:
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An interesting conference for me.
The fact that they weren't shouting from the rooftops about it's performance relative to the 4090 like they did with the 6900XT/3090, and spent an inordinate amount of time talking about DisplayPort 2.1 and 8K gaming, tells me it's going to fall short on the 4090 by almost every metric, but that's not necessarily a bad thing because I don't think competing with NVidia's flagship was their intention anyway.
From looking around various forums and crunching some numbers, I predict the 7900XTX will be around 10-20% slower on raster performance over the 4090 and 15-25% ahead of the 4080 16GB SKU. It'll also fall well behind in RT performance on the 4090 and by a smaller margin on the 4080.
However, at 63% and 83% of the respective costs of a 4090 and 4080, it'll come down to what the individual values more. If RT is an after-thought to you and isn't a deal breaker, then the AMD series offers by far the better value.
There's no performance figures for the 7900XT yet but I predict that it'll match the 4080 on raster and fall a way behind on RT, hence why it'll be $300 less @ MSRP.
I doubt Nvidia will be responding to this by lowering their price, at least not for the time being. They'll rely on their brand and market-share to do a lot of the heavy lifting and keep their prices the same.
The fact that they weren't shouting from the rooftops about it's performance relative to the 4090 like they did with the 6900XT/3090, and spent an inordinate amount of time talking about DisplayPort 2.1 and 8K gaming, tells me it's going to fall short on the 4090 by almost every metric, but that's not necessarily a bad thing because I don't think competing with NVidia's flagship was their intention anyway.
From looking around various forums and crunching some numbers, I predict the 7900XTX will be around 10-20% slower on raster performance over the 4090 and 15-25% ahead of the 4080 16GB SKU. It'll also fall well behind in RT performance on the 4090 and by a smaller margin on the 4080.
However, at 63% and 83% of the respective costs of a 4090 and 4080, it'll come down to what the individual values more. If RT is an after-thought to you and isn't a deal breaker, then the AMD series offers by far the better value.
There's no performance figures for the 7900XT yet but I predict that it'll match the 4080 on raster and fall a way behind on RT, hence why it'll be $300 less @ MSRP.
I doubt Nvidia will be responding to this by lowering their price, at least not for the time being. They'll rely on their brand and market-share to do a lot of the heavy lifting and keep their prices the same.
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The wales have driven the prices up. That plus the age old Moore's Law which was the thing in the 90s, 00s, and even the 10s has come to an end.
Back then every ~18 months a new process used to come out which doubled density, gave higher clocks and all at a similar price and power costs. That is long gone. And as long as there big spenders willing to spend £1000+ then prices will remain high.
While the costs have gone up, so have margins. Nvidia as a fab-less designer were regularly at 60%+ margins and they make most of their money with huge dies.
Yes, while wafers in short supply anyone who can will do what AMD did the last few years: priorities CPUs and especially server CPU.
I seems that a Ryzen 7950X costs around $70 to make:
AD102 on the other hand, I calculated to cost around $315 for the die.
No sign of AMD having prepared anything bigger and linking two main dies together probably has to wait for RDNA4, but a 450mm² main die with e.g. 8 IO dies should be way cheaper to make than AD102.
Hopefully heading into a recession there will be some better value partially via lower margins but also cleverer ideas like chiplets
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The numbers show no relative increase in RT performance. They’ve just scaled along with rasterisation performance.Well the RT slides the guy showed had some compelling RT games fps numbers, Cyberpunk with full RT at 4K for example was shown at 62fps vs the 42fps the RDNA2 card had. 4090 only gets over 100fps due to Frame Gen, what does a 4090 get with just DLSS2 at the same settings can anyone confirm? Either way it matters not to me, 3440x1440 QD-OLED 144Hz for a long time yet.
I'm actually quite interested in the XTX now, especially after seeing the mention of the tech partnership for Callisto Protocol. Obviously it would be silly to upgrade just for one game alone, so I want to see where else it excels once reviews come out. The power consumption, the no need to upgrade PSU from my Phanteks 750w AMP, retaining the dual 8 pin power connectors, the slimmmer slot profile in the case, the price (hopefully in the UK....).
But if my 3080 Ti runs games like Callisto at max settings with RT enabled at 100fps, then I have no need to want to upgrade for the best experience.
What I was hoping for was for them to close the gap with the Green team which they haven’t; even with BS frame gen aside, they’ll still be behind.
But… it’s a new XTX <3
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Without an understanding of the distribution of workload between RT And raster in those titles you can’t actually make that claim
Yeah I'll be honest, when watching the AMD presentation and they were showing off RT I found it difficult to tell the difference. Maybe it's because I'm on an older monitor? Only thing I could see was a proper reflection in one of the puddles on the floor in, I think it was spiderman.
The only mental gymnastics here are done by AMD fanboys… every single new product launch.
They didn’t even compare it to their previous gen. Just RT being not even 2x. That should tell you how much confidence they DON’T have in their product.
On the other hand, they will bring out their own frame generation fsr ‘wannabe dlss3’ which is good in case you can’t switch to a 4xxx card right now. Might force Nvidia to get some kind of frame gen working on older gen cards too.
Here is a link for you to watch the event again.. and see they did compare it to the previous gen.
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