AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU Burns Up

facboy · 13 May 2023 at 16:14

bfar said:
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I vaguely remember vendors being called out on using all-core turbo boost on Intel Skylake CPUs when using xmp, and using high load line calibration to do so. It made them look slightly better in reviews vs competitors who used stock boost behavior. Can't remember who the vendor was or what the details where, but my point is this behavior isn't new, and the media was better equipped to call it out.

I feel there's a lot of scare mongering going on in this thread, but...I'm pretty sure that was ASUS too , though they were hardly alone.

Silent_Scone · 13 May 2023 at 16:48

Rroff said:
Absolutely - welcome to the real world where companies often lack joined up thinking and/or the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing or are just plain scummy and will try and put people off as much as they can with returns - removing the text doesn't necessarily mean anything at all - it isn't like Asus is well known for doing the right thing...

Yeah LetMeRepair or something like that - I've used them a few times they are absolutely trash - they will do everything they can including in your case telling you to go back to the place of purchase to put you off RMAing a product and if you get past those hurdles 9 times out of 10 you'll get a ropey refurbished product which in some cases is literally just another customer's return sent back out to you without being fixed. You probably dodged a bullet there unless they've changed dramatically in the last few years.

It got so bad for awhile OcUK was handling all Asus returns themselves taking the hit if necessary though I don't think it is the case any more unfortunately.

Never had an issue with letmerepair. Their monitor service is literally swap and drop.

Rroff · 13 May 2023 at 17:08

Silent_Scone said:
Never had an issue with letmerepair. Their monitor service is literally swap and drop.

It has been a few years but the swapping on the doorstep was the only redeeming feature - when I had to RMA my ROG Swift I got what were blatantly other customer returns sent out as replacements which had been wiped down but were faulty until they had nothing left to send and Asus had to ship me a brand new one as it ticked over 28 days or whatever it was. Sadly that eventually died the same way as the original as well.

GoogalyMoogaly · 13 May 2023 at 22:11

So been looking at my older 7700 + Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus setup (been setup for a while so have to make the most of it) and it's on the newest non-beta bios. From what I could tell looking at SoC Voltage in HWiNFO64, by default, it was hitting 1.28v (memory is running at 5600MHz). I've tweaked it by setting it down so that it's maxing out at about 1.2v.

Is that enough for me to not need to worry about it?
The BIOS I'm running doesn't mention anything about a 1.3v limit, but since it's 5600MHz RAM with, I'd guess, pretty loose timings I wouldn't expect it to need high SoC voltage. Is it still possible that it could spike even though I've manually set it in the BIOS?

uscool · 13 May 2023 at 23:06

GoogalyMoogaly said:
So been looking at my older 7700 + Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus setup (been setup for a while so have to make the most of it) and it's on the newest non-beta bios. From what I could tell looking at SoC Voltage in HWiNFO64, by default, it was hitting 1.28v (memory is running at 5600MHz). I've tweaked it by setting it down so that it's maxing out at about 1.2v.

Is that enough for me to not need to worry about it?
The BIOS I'm running doesn't mention anything about a 1.3v limit, but since it's 5600MHz RAM with, I'd guess, pretty loose timings I wouldn't expect it to need high SoC voltage. Is it still possible that it could spike even though I've manually set it in the BIOS?

TUF GAMING B650-PLUS BIOS 1601
Version 1601
Beta Version
9.02 MB
2023/05/04
"1. Update AGESA version to Combo AM5 PI 1.0.0.7.
2. Support 48/24GB high-density DDR5 memory module.
3. SoC voltage for Ryzen 7000 series limited to a maximum of 1.30V to protect the CPU and motherboard.
Before running the USB BIOS Flashback tool, please rename the BIOS file (TGB650P.CAP) using BIOSRenamer."

TUF GAMING B650-PLUS｜Motherboards｜ASUS Global

TUF GAMING B650-PLUS is equipped with outstanding features, including 6-layer PCB design, DDR5, PCIe 5.0 M.2 support, Realtek 2.5Gb Ethernet, rear USB 3.2 Gen2x2 Type-C®, front USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-C®, BIOS FlashBack™, DisplayPort/HDMI, USB4® (Thunderbolt™ 4)...

www.asus.com

GoogalyMoogaly · 13 May 2023 at 23:10

uscool said:
TUF GAMING B650-PLUS BIOS 1601
Version 1601
Beta Version
9.02 MB
2023/05/04
"1. Update AGESA version to Combo AM5 PI 1.0.0.7.
2. Support 48/24GB high-density DDR5 memory module.
3. SoC voltage for Ryzen 7000 series limited to a maximum of 1.30V to protect the CPU and motherboard.
Before running the USB BIOS Flashback tool, please rename the BIOS file (TGB650P.CAP) using BIOSRenamer."

TUF GAMING B650-PLUS｜Motherboards｜ASUS Global

TUF GAMING B650-PLUS is equipped with outstanding features, including 6-layer PCB design, DDR5, PCIe 5.0 M.2 support, Realtek 2.5Gb Ethernet, rear USB 3.2 Gen2x2 Type-C®, front USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-C®, BIOS FlashBack™, DisplayPort/HDMI, USB4® (Thunderbolt™ 4)...

www.asus.com

No, not that one. I'm using 1409

uscool · 13 May 2023 at 23:12

Yeah you need to update bios to get it . Why not update the bios ? Probably will get more in the coming days / weeks

GoogalyMoogaly · 14 May 2023 at 00:51

uscool said:
Yeah you need to update bios to get it . Why not update the bios ? Probably will get more in the coming days / weeks

I'm waiting until they release another non-beta bios

cho · 14 May 2023 at 01:58

of given new features its most probably high density DDR5 memory support in experimental phase, hence beta - nevertheless - public means approved and safe to use with restriction to eventual instabilities

gooseuk · 14 May 2023 at 07:33

RBImGuy said:
14.8s on my asus board on 32gb ram seems fine to me

Really thats amazing, i assume you have turned somthing on to enable this perhaps ?

Jamin280672 · 14 May 2023 at 08:18

gooseuk said:
Really thats amazing, i assume you have turned somthing on to enable this perhaps ?

My PC boots to the windows lockscreen in 6 seconds, takes 3 seconds for me to type in my password, then startup programs take about 20 seconds, thats using a WD 850X nvme drive, with an ASUS x670e gene, 7900 non x and 32gb of RAM sort of expo enabled, but timings, speed, voltage etc entered manually, ive tried removing the 10 second windows explorer delay, but it doesnt seem to work on windows 11

Troezar · 14 May 2023 at 08:25

Jamin280672 said:
My PC boots to the windows lockscreen in 6 seconds, takes 3 seconds for me to type in my password, then startup programs take about 20 seconds, thats using a WD 850X nvme drive, with an ASUS x670e gene, 7900 non x and 32gb of RAM sort of expo enabled, but timings, speed, voltage etc entered manually, ive tried removing the 10 second windows explorer delay, but it doesnt seem to work on windows 11

As fast as the hardware gets we never seem to make much ground on start-up. To be fair though I remember being able to go and make a cup of tea while waiting for the PC to boot :cry:

I think we'll need some sort of persistent memory before we see it get much faster.

Jamin280672 · 14 May 2023 at 08:43

Troezar said:
As fast as the hardware gets we never seem to make much ground on start-up. To be fair though I remember being able to go and make a cup of tea while waiting for the PC to boot I think we'll need some sort of persistent memory before we see it get much faster.

TBH, I remember being able to go make a whole roast dinner whilst waiting for a game to load on my first ever PC lol......Sinclair ZX Spektrum.......only to come back and find a syntax error at the end.......arrrrgggghhhh, but hey, the colours were nice to watch and hypnotising :cry:

For those who dont know what im talking about

ZX Spectrum loading screen

youtu.be

Troezar · 14 May 2023 at 08:50

Jamin280672 said:
TBH, I remember being able to go make a whole roast dinner whilst waiting for a game to load on my first ever PC lol......Sinclair ZX Spektrum.......only to come back and find a syntax error at the end.......arrrrgggghhhh, but hey, the colours were nice to watch and hypnotising

Lol, I still get PTSD if I hear that Spectrum loading sound. Waiting forever for it to load up only for it to error :mad:

Used to infuriate me playing with volume settings :cry:

Still got it up the loft somewhere.

Jamin280672 · 14 May 2023 at 09:03

Troezar said:
Lol, I still get PTSD if I hear that Spectrum loading sound. Waiting forever for it to load up only for it to error Used to infuriate me playing with volume settings Still got it up the loft somewhere.

You cant beat a bit of Horace goes skiing lol, they dont makes games like that anymore......(mumbles under my breath) "Thank god for that"

GoogalyMoogaly · 14 May 2023 at 10:43

I'm not sure how long my PCs take to start up, but most of the time I'm left waiting for my monitors to wake up (I'm not sure if it takes them a long time to realise there's input or quite what, maybe they take a while to "wake up" (and they seem to go to sleep quickly).

GoogalyMoogaly · 14 May 2023 at 10:44

cho said:
of given new features its most probably high density DDR5 memory support in experimental phase, hence beta - nevertheless - public means approved and safe to use with restriction to eventual instabilities

I believe they released a BETA bios that just did the 1.3V limit, but they didn't make that a non-beta bios. If they're safe to use, why call them beta?

uscool · 14 May 2023 at 11:03

beta bios's isnt anything new , just that it can bring instabilities
why would it not be safe when it contains the safety mechanisms ?

GoogalyMoogaly · 14 May 2023 at 11:26

uscool said:
beta bios's isnt anything new , just that it can bring instabilities
why would it not be safe when it contains the safety mechanisms ?

whatever the reason they left it as a beta is the reason I'm reluctant to use it.

idkfa · 14 May 2023 at 11:36

Are people with a 7800X3D and an ASUS board confident the overvolting problems will be fixed with BIOS updates alone? I have a Tuf Gaming X670E-plus and am waiting for a full fix but am considering getting a different board, maybe an Asrock.